Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 15:21:55 10/16/02
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On October 16, 2002 at 08:57:32, Terry Ripple wrote:
>On October 16, 2002 at 07:15:51, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On October 15, 2002 at 13:31:10, Mike S. wrote:
>>
>>>On October 15, 2002 at 12:39:53, C McClain Morris, Jr. wrote:
>>>
>>>>What was going on with that move?
>>>
>>>A sacrifice.
>>>
>>>Intensive analyses are to be done yet. GM's commented that 27.Qe6+ may have been
>>>a draw.
>>
>>those GMs didn't analyze it very well then. 27.Qe6 loses bigtime.
>>
>>the real problem was kramnik playing another dumb opening. whole match
>>has been dominated by random openings lines from kramnik. yes he plays
>>berlin or scotch but then some random mainline. he doesn't seem to
>>realize that he is 2800 rated and that the openings book creator from
>>Fritz is a smart guy, but around 2000 rated, if he would have a rating.
>>
>>Perhaps 2100 who cares. 700+ rating points difference. that's huge.
>>
>>Yet kramnik gets paid around 1 MLN dollar and is preserving his openings
>>novelties and his openings preparation. He keeps them dry and clean to
>>play them against human GMs.
>>
>>TV pictures show the guy doesn't care at all. Kramnik doesn't mind at all
>>to lose games. He just sits there playing an exhibition match without caring
>>for result.
>--------------------------
>
>You are dead wrong! Why did Kramnik think for 42 minutes just 2 moves before his
>sacrifice if he didn't care to win?
>
>After Kramnik played the sacrifice and as he played further into the position he
>realized that he overlooked the move Bh4 and so he realized then that he now had
>a big problem and then had to deviate from his original analysis.
>A report from there claimed that at this point Kramnik had his head in his hands
>talking to himself, this kind of reaction doesn't show that he don't care!
>
>Another point, Kramnik knows he needs to do his best because his performance
>against Deep fritz will obviously be compared to Kasparov's match with D.Junior!
Kramnik might not even know kasparov has such a match!
For sure he will have problems finding info about it at the
chessbase site if he just goes to www.chessbase.com :)
I see a lot about kramnik there, nothing about kasparov-junior :)
>Another point, Kramnik is the World Champion and with this status a champion
>will want to show off how good he is to the whole world at all times! He already
>has millions of dollars and the money don't mean near as much to him as does his
>honour and prestige!!
If i talk to GMs they all talk different about it. They see the
machine as an evil thign that is going to dominate them anyway, if it
already doesn't.
They do not know a thing. they are not technocrats.
They all fear the computer of Khalifman, because it
would be worlds fastest chess computer (dual P2), 2 processors even!
Even years after he
bought it, they still fear it, as khalifman might have prepared lines with
it which they can't find but khalifman's incredible computer might have
found it in overnight analysis.
The average analysis they do is when they investigate lines. Normally
a line skips within 7 seconds at their laptop, which isn't the latest
computer either and they do not believe a single thing of it with regards
to positional or strategical suggestions.
Those computers are a run race already for them, as they are not
paid to beat it at all; and when they tell in the supermarket that
they are pro chess players, they get told that they are idiots as
IBM already solved chess years ago with something called 'deep blue?',
or when pronounced in europe: 'diep blue?'.
An important issue you overlook is 2 folded
a) they always have to fight till death to get some money, now
kramnik hasn't. This is a golden opportunity!
b) if kramnik shows his openings preparation here, he can't use it
against humans and as we all know the number of improvements they
find which actually might get on the board against other GMs is
not that big. You must keep those 'dry' till you clash with kasparov.
c) Kasparov just gets the match to earn some money to make up with FIDE,
kramnik got his match just to make some money after he got world champ.
Other issues are not relevant here.
d) If vlad wins with 7-1 or 6-2, then he risks that next match he will
not get asked to play, but someone else will. You gotta deliver the
sponsor some interesting match. Of course kasparov he would LOVE to
beat with 8-0, but well... ...no idiotic openingslines against kasparov :)
So i hope of course kramnik likes to win the match. If he's a professional
player he'll just score 1.5 out of the next 2 games and be happy with it.
It's for computerchess the best result anyway. If it loses with 8-0, then
most idiots will post here deep blue was better than deepfritz, which is
good to prevent from futuristic viewpoint.
>Regards,
> Terry
>
>>
>>Like i give away draws for free in simultaneously exhibitions usually
>>(last time i forgot, sorry i won all games against
>>the 40 highschool boys+girls).
>>
>>For kramnik it is like a simultaneously exhibition is for me against highschool.
>>he plays a kid called fritz and he doesn't care simply.
>>
>>I remember a simultaneously exhibition where i was so stupid to accept like
>>Alterman to play with a clock. Now the average opponent had 1900 rating
>>against me and i'm 2300 rated. I forgot that with 16 boards or so, that
>>with 2 hours on the clock this means that you have at each board less than
>>5 minutes whole game, because they make a move when you just turn your
>>back.
>>
>>This where normal simultaneously exhibition giver has more time.
>>
>>Anyway. i in advance didn't care too much and lost suddenly a lot of boards
>>when the time became little. They played on and on in lost positions of course.
>>some drawish too.
>>
>>Anyway i lost some points there but still won the match.
>>
>>If kramnik has that same attitude, and he seems to have it, perhaps he
>>wakes up last game then. If so he'll still win the match convincing in the
>>end.
>>
>>
>>
>>>Also, after a first quick look at the game it seems that White gets a big
>>>advantage if Black would have played 22...Kf7?. Maybe Kamnik didn't expect, that
>>>Fritz would play 22...Rxe5 instead, returning material, here?
>>>
>>>(It look like most engines choose 22...Rxe5 quickly.)
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>M.Scheidl
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