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Subject: Re: Oh - What Joy!

Author: Terry Ripple

Date: 19:50:04 10/16/02

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On October 16, 2002 at 11:34:08, Graham Laight wrote:

>On October 16, 2002 at 10:20:12, Terry Ripple wrote:
>
>>On October 16, 2002 at 09:51:23, Graham Laight wrote:
>>
>>>On October 16, 2002 at 09:11:52, Terry Ripple wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Memorization" doesn't prove intelligence!! I was just doing some research on
>>>>this topic and this was fully explained.
>>>
>>>It's not enough to say what intelligence isn't.
>>>
>>>If you want to convince us that machines aren't intelligence, then you have to
>>>stipulate what intelligence IS.
>>>
>>>-g
>>>----------------------------------
>>>“Intelligence is the ability to face problems in an unprogrammed (creative) manner.”
>>
>> Intelligence exists as a very general mental capability involving ability to
>>reason, plan, solve problems, think abstractly, comprehend complex ideas, learn
>>quickly and learn from experience.
>>
>>" Now show me where a computer can do all this? "
>
>Obviously, there isn't yet a computer that can behave like a human.
>
>However - all of the above items CAN be done. Lets go through the list:
>
>* very general mental capability
>
>I would argue that human capability is not "very general", but that rather we
>have a lucky combination of special skills that has allowed us to advance way
>beyond normal animal lifestyles.
>
>I would further argue that many AI techniques have widespread applications, thus
>making them "very general".
>
>* ability to reason
>
>computers can do analogical reasoning, case-based reasoning, deductive
>reasoning, genetic-algorithm reasoning, rules-based reasoning, neural reasoning,
>mathematical reasoning, game-theory reasoning and abductive reasoning - to name
>but a few.
>
>* plan
>
>Computers can do route planning, and are an essential tool in modern project
>planning. They can do numerous other types of planning as well.
>
>* solve problems
>
>See "ability to reason" above. Oh - and they solve chess problems as well  :)
>
>* think abstractly
>
>Computers think more abstractly about chess than any human ever will. They don't
>even get to see the REAL chess board!
>
>* Comprehend complex ideas
>
>This equates to having expert knowledge on a subject - which computers clearly
>can have
>
>* learn quickly/from experience
>
>Many types of AI system can do that, including Genetic Algorithms and Neural
>Networks
>
>There. That's dealt with that list.
>
>-g
>--------------------------

All the things you mentioned i believe are not following this statement:

"Intelligence is the ability to face problems in an unprogrammed (creative)
manner.”


>>Regards,
>>      Terry



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