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Subject: Re: A strange coincidence

Author: Will Singleton

Date: 22:16:01 10/17/02

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On October 17, 2002 at 22:04:00, John Merlino wrote:

>On October 17, 2002 at 16:22:19, John Merlino wrote:
>
>>On October 17, 2002 at 16:01:11, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>>
>>>[D]r1bqkb1r/1ppp1ppp/p1n5/4p3/B3n3/5N2/PPPP1PPP/RNBQR1K1 b kq - 0 6
>>>
>>>The standard move is d4 here, but my thing wants to play Re1 and
>>>thinks it's quite a bit better.
>>>
>>>My book has nearly no games with this, so I looked in the full
>>>database to see whether this has been played before. It has,
>>>very occasionally. Mostly by lesser players, which isn't exactly
>>>encouraging. However, the last 2 games with this in my database
>>>were:
>>>
>>>PARSOS-IKARUS, WCCC 2002 Maastricht
>>>XINIX-IKARUS, WCCC 2002 Maastricht
>>>
>>>To add to the coincidence, even though Ikarus was involved in
>>>both games, the Re1 move is whites. So this means that both
>>>ParSOS and XiniX chose to play the 'odd' move at the exact
>>>same tournament.
>>>
>>>--
>>>GCP
>>
>>Here are the results of the position in the CM9000 database:
>>
>>d4   -- +661 =716 -387 -- 57.8% (1764 games)
>>Re1  -- +9   =21  -15  -- 43.3% (45 games)
>>Qe2  -- +1   =2   -5   -- 25.0% (8 games)
>>Bxc6 -- +1   =0   -1   -- 50.0% (2 games)
>>
>>Of the 45 games in which 6.Re1 was played, the average ELO for White was 2335.
>>The average ELO for White in the 1764 games for 6.d4 was 2462.
>>
>>Only two players above 2500 played 6.Re1. Here are the two games:
>>
>>[Event "Lloyds Bank"]
>>[Site "London ENG"]
>>[Date "1991.08.??"]
>>[Round "6"]
>>[White "Kengis, Edvins"]
>>[Black "Morris, Philip"]
>>[TimeControl "-"]
>>[Result "1-0"]
>>[ECO "C80"]
>>[WhiteELO "2575"]
>>[BlackELO "2385"]
>>[WhiteTitle "IGM"]
>>[BlackTitle "IM"]
>>[WhiteCountry "URS"]
>>[BlackCountry "ENG"]
>>
>>1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.O-O Nxe4 6.Re1 Nc5 7.Nc3 Be7
>>8.Nd5 O-O 9.Bxc6 dxc6 10.Nxe7+ Qxe7 11.d4 Ne6 12.Rxe5 f6 13.Re1 Bd7
>>14.c4 Rad8 15.Qb3 Qf7 16.Be3 Rfe8 17.Red1 Bc8 18.Rac1 Nf8 19.Bf4 Ng6
>>20.Bg3 b6 21.Qa4 Bb7 22.Qc2 Rd7 23.Re1 Rde7 24.Rxe7 Rxe7 25.h4 Nf8 26.b4
>>c5 27.d5 cxb4 28.Qd2 a5 29.Nd4 Rd7 30.Qf4 Ba6 31.Nf5 Ng6 32.Qg4 Kh8
>>33.Re1 h6 34.h5 Ne5 35.Bxe5 fxe5 36.Rxe5 b5 37.Qe4 Rd8 38.Nxh6 gxh6
>>39.Re7 Rf8 40.Rxf7 Rxf7 41.Qe6 1-0
>>
>>[Event "Interzonal tournament"]
>>[Site "Subotica YUG"]
>>[Date "1987.06.??"]
>>[Round "2"]
>>[White "Popovic, Petar"]
>>[Black "Prasad, Devaki V"]
>>[TimeControl "-"]
>>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>>[ECO "C80"]
>>[WhiteELO "2540"]
>>[BlackELO "2425"]
>>[WhiteTitle "IGM"]
>>[WhiteCountry "YUG"]
>>[BlackCountry "IND"]
>>
>>1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.O-O Nxe4 6.Re1 Nc5 7.Bxc6 dxc6
>>8.Nxe5 Be7 9.b3 O-O 10.Ba3 Ne6 11.Bxe7 Qxe7 12.Nc3 Bd7 13.Re3 Rad8 14.d3
>>Bc8 15.Qh5 Nf4 16.Qf3 Qg5 17.Qg3 Qxg3 18.hxg3 Nd5 19.Nxd5 cxd5 20.b4
>>Rfe8 21.Rae1 f6 22.Nf3 Bd7 1/2-1/2
>>
>>jm
>
>Perhaps I should also add that, although CM9000 will always play 6.d4 from its
>book in this position, WITHOUT its book it takes 4:32 on a P4-2.66 to switch
>from Re1 to d4:
>
>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>0:00	1/3	-0.17	1216		6.d3 b5 7.dxe4 bxa4
>0:00	1/4	-0.15	2368		6.d3 Nc5 7.Bg5 Be7
>0:00	1/5	-0.30	9533		6.d3 Nf6 7.d4 exd4 8.Re1+ Be7 9.Nxd4
>0:00	1/5	-0.13	20648		6.Re1 Nc5 7.Bxc6 dxc6 8.Rxe5+ Be7
>					9.d3
>0:00	1/5	-0.10	26204		6.Qe2 Nc5 7.Bxc6 dxc6 8.Qxe5+ Qe7
>0:00	1/6	0.01	38131		6.Qe2 Nc5 7.Bxc6 dxc6 8.d4 Ne6
>					9.Qxe5
>0:00	1/7	-0.12	75847		6.Qe2 Nc5 7.Bxc6 dxc6 8.Qxe5+ Qe7
>					9.d3 Qxe5 10.Nxe5
>0:00	1/7	-0.07	113731		6.Re1 Nc5 7.Bxc6 dxc6 8.Rxe5+ Be6
>					9.d3 f6
>0:01	1/8	0.12	228741		6.Re1 Nc5 7.Bxc6 dxc6 8.Nxe5 Be6
>					9.d4 Nd7 10.Nc3 Nxe5 11.Rxe5
>0:02	1/9	-0.02	510831		6.Re1 Nc5 7.Bxc6 dxc6 8.d4 Ne6
>					9.dxe5 Bd7 10.Nc3 Bc5
>0:07	1/10	0.19	1622849		6.Re1 Nc5 7.Bxc6 dxc6 8.d4 Ne6
>					9.Nxe5 Bd6 10.c4 Qh4
>0:14	2/11	0.08	3361333		6.Re1 Nc5 7.Bxc6 dxc6 8.d4 Ne6
>					9.Nxe5 Bd6 10.Nc3 O-O 11.Be3 Ng5
>0:39	3/12	0.21	9300639		6.Re1 Nc5 7.Bxc6 dxc6 8.Nxe5 Ne6
>					9.d4 Bd6 10.c4 O-O 11.Nc3 Qh4
>1:44	4/13	0.15	25268280	6.Re1 Nc5 7.Bxc6 dxc6 8.Nxe5 Ne6
>					9.Qh5 Qf6 10.Nc3 g6 11.Qe2 Bg7
>					12.d3 O-O 13.Bd2
>4:32	4/13	0.20	63361544	6.d4 b5 7.Bb3 d5 8.dxe5 Be6 9.a4
>					Na5 10.Ba2 Nc4 11.axb5 axb5 12.Nbd2
>					Nexd2 13.Bxd2 Nxb2
>
>jm


If you play thru the first 4 ply in your last two variations, then analyze the
positions, Chessmaster gives a better score to the Re1 variation.  But it's
close.

Will




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