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Subject: Re: A strange coincidence

Author: Marc van Hal

Date: 04:45:05 10/18/02

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On October 17, 2002 at 22:05:31, John Merlino wrote:

>On October 17, 2002 at 16:44:27, Mogens Larsen wrote:
>
>>On October 17, 2002 at 16:22:19, John Merlino wrote:
>>
>>>[Event "Lloyds Bank"]
>>>[Site "London ENG"]
>>>[Date "1991.08.??"]
>>>[Round "6"]
>>>[White "Kengis, Edvins"]
>>>[Black "Morris, Philip"]
>>>[TimeControl "-"]
>>>[Result "1-0"]
>>>[ECO "C80"]
>>>[WhiteELO "2575"]
>>>[BlackELO "2385"]
>>>[WhiteTitle "IGM"]
>>>[BlackTitle "IM"]
>>>[WhiteCountry "URS"]
>>>[BlackCountry "ENG"]
>>>
>>>1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.O-O Nxe4 6.Re1 Nc5 7.Nc3 Be7
>>>8.Nd5 O-O 9.Bxc6 dxc6 10.Nxe7+ Qxe7 11.d4 Ne6 12.Rxe5 f6 13.Re1 Bd7
>>>14.c4 Rad8 15.Qb3 Qf7 16.Be3 Rfe8 17.Red1 Bc8 18.Rac1 Nf8 19.Bf4 Ng6
>>>20.Bg3 b6 21.Qa4 Bb7 22.Qc2 Rd7 23.Re1 Rde7 24.Rxe7 Rxe7 25.h4 Nf8 26.b4
>>>c5 27.d5 cxb4 28.Qd2 a5 29.Nd4 Rd7 30.Qf4 Ba6 31.Nf5 Ng6 32.Qg4 Kh8
>>>33.Re1 h6 34.h5 Ne5 35.Bxe5 fxe5 36.Rxe5 b5 37.Qe4 Rd8 38.Nxh6 gxh6
>>>39.Re7 Rf8 40.Rxf7 Rxf7 41.Qe6 1-0
>>>
>>>[Event "Interzonal tournament"]
>>>[Site "Subotica YUG"]
>>>[Date "1987.06.??"]
>>>[Round "2"]
>>>[White "Popovic, Petar"]
>>>[Black "Prasad, Devaki V"]
>>>[TimeControl "-"]
>>>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>>>[ECO "C80"]
>>>[WhiteELO "2540"]
>>>[BlackELO "2425"]
>>>[WhiteTitle "IGM"]
>>>[WhiteCountry "YUG"]
>>>[BlackCountry "IND"]
>>>
>>>1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.O-O Nxe4 6.Re1 Nc5 7.Bxc6 dxc6
>>>8.Nxe5 Be7 9.b3 O-O 10.Ba3 Ne6 11.Bxe7 Qxe7 12.Nc3 Bd7 13.Re3 Rad8 14.d3
>>>Bc8 15.Qh5 Nf4 16.Qf3 Qg5 17.Qg3 Qxg3 18.hxg3 Nd5 19.Nxd5 cxd5 20.b4
>>>Rfe8 21.Rae1 f6 22.Nf3 Bd7 1/2-1/2
>>>
>>>jm
>>
>>According to my database Tal played it as well (too lazy for PGN, sorry).
>>
>>Tal,M (2605) - Jussupow,A (2605) [C80]
>>Candidats Tournament Montpellier FRA (13), 1985
>>
>>1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Nxe4 6.Re1 Nc5 7.Nc3 Be7 8.Nd5 0-0
>>9.Bxc6 dxc6 10.Nxe7+ Qxe7 11.d4 Ne6 12.Nxe5 f6 13.Nd3 Qf7 14.Nf4 Bd7 15.d5 cxd5
>>16.Qxd5 Nxf4 17.Qxf7+ Kxf7 18.Bxf4 c6 19.f3 ½-½
>>
>>And against Edvin Kengis as black.
>>
>>Kengis,E (2460) - Tal,M (2620) [C80]
>>It (cat.10) Yurmala LAT (10), 1983
>>
>>1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Nxe4 6.Re1 Nc5 7.Nc3 Be7 8.Nd5 e4
>>9.Bxc6 dxc6 10.Nxe7 Qxe7 11.b4 Be6 12.bxc5 exf3 13.Qxf3 Qxc5 14.Bb2 Qg5 15.Bc3
>>0-0-0 16.Re5 Qg6 17.Qe3 Bd5 18.Rg5 Qxc2 19.Qa7 Rhe8 20.h3 Rd6 21.Qa8+ Kd7
>>22.Qxb7 Rg6 23.Rxd5+ cxd5 24.Qxd5+ Rd6 25.Qxf7+ Re7 26.Qh5 Qe4 27.Qd1 Rg6 28.g3
>>Qd3 29.Qa4+ Kc8 30.Qf4 Qd5 31.Rc1 Rge6 32.d3 Rc6 33.Qb4 Rf7 34.Re1 Qf5 35.Bd4
>>Qxh3 36.Qb3 Qf5 37.Ba7 Kd7 38.Qa4 h5 39.Qd4+ Rd6 40.Qa4+ Rc6 41.Qd4+ Rd6 42.Qa4+
>>Kc8 43.Rb1 Kd8 44.Rb8+ Ke7 45.Qh4+ g5 46.Qb4 Kf6 47.Bd4+ Kg6 48.Rg8+ Kh6 49.Qc3
>>h4 50.Rh8+ Kg6 51.Rg8+ Kh5 52.Be3 hxg3 53.f3 Rg6 54.Qh8+ Rh6 55.Qd4 Rd6 56.Qh8+
>>Rh6 57.Qd4 Rhf6 ½-½
>>
>>Regards,
>>Mogens
>
>The CM9000 database has the second of these two games, but I did not include it
>in my above post because Kengis was below 2500 at the time he played it against
>Tal. I'm surprised that I don't have the Tal-Jussupow game, though....
>
>jm

I am more suprised that everyone only looks on what the program plays
And not why.
(I mean in human terms and not calculations)

Marc



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