Author: Roberto Waldteufel
Date: 16:25:11 09/05/98
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On September 05, 1998 at 16:55:30, Don Dailey wrote: >On September 04, 1998 at 15:27:13, Larry S. Tamarkin wrote: > >>I also don't believe in the permenant banning of any individual - Its too >>tolatarian! It is in the nature of free speech/expression, that some will make >>outragous and incorrect claims and assumtions about others. Anyone with common >>sence can interpert the real truth on many diverse matters. Also people who >>have been attacked, usually have no problem(s) defending themselves, or having >>other's come to their defence. >> >>Perhaps one logical thing that could be done is to establish a time limit for >>the banning of any individual, always with an expiration time. >> >>Suggestion, 1 month first offense, 3 months 2nd offense, 1 year 3rd offense. >>True, the moderators would have to do a lot more work, keeping taps on what & >>who, and also notifying the offending party(s) why they were being temporarily >>banned, quoting offending post where necessary. But I think what we gain here >>is a forum where contridictory views can be tollorated and also tempored to some >>degree. >> >>Lawrence S. Tamarkin >>mrslug - the inkompetent chess software addict! > > >Hi Larry, > >Your point of view on this is certainly worth consideration. I >believe it is, at least in part, a matter of moderator style. A >different set of moderators could have chosen to handle matters in >an entirely different way and still be entirely legitimate. I do >not think any of us would make the claim that our approach to >moderation is the best or only right way to do it. On the other >hand we hope that our decisions have worked in the best interests >of the group and I feel satisfied that so far they have been. > >You mentioned that you do not believe in the permanent banning of any >individual. This is gratifying for us to hear since we feel the same >way about this point. Our implementation of this principle is different >however from the implementation you propose. This has been posted a >couple of times at least in the past, but I would like to briefly review >the approach we have chosen on this and then I'll explain why I feel >that it might be slightly better than what you propose: > >ANY previously banned member can approach us freely and express his >desire to come back to the group. He has only to convince us of >two things. > > 1) He actually feels some regret for previous bad behavior. > > 2) We think it is very likely he will change this if given > the opportunity. > >Really, the two go together and the first point is probably a >subset of the second point. > >We have almost no rules on this group and I think this is a good >thing. All we ask is that we each treat each other with dignity, >respect and consideration. It is rarely the case that determining >whether this principle has been violated is ambiguous. The >tough part is determining how serious the infraction was! > >I appreciate your feedback on this issue and it is good to hear >about how the membership feels on these things. I hope you do >not feel that we are being totalitarian because we do not have >an automated system of bringing back members on a regularly >scheduled basis. We would prefer to deal individually with each >case so that we can be more flexible on this. With our system >a member could concievably come back immediately without having >to wait some pre-determined time interval. On the other hand, >someone who is sure to cause much trouble may never get to come >back. To the extent that we can make it so, we want it to be up >to the individual instead of us. I know this is not completely >possible since a judgement will always be involved but if anyone >really wants back and is willing to play nice, I think they will >be able to convince us of this and will get to come back. > >Do you think this approach is unreasonable? > >- Don I think your approach is very reasonable, and I agree that nobody should be banned on an irrevocable basis, but in the specific case of Mr Evans I doubt whether he is willing and able to behave himself if allowed back, based on what I hear of his present activity in that other place..... Best wishes, Roberto
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