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Subject: Re: position without Ng5, good test

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 08:01:27 10/19/02

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On October 19, 2002 at 10:20:58, Will Singleton wrote:

>On October 19, 2002 at 04:40:22, Klaus Friedel wrote:
>
>>On October 18, 2002 at 12:10:06, Will Singleton wrote:
>>
>>>Adjusted position with the h7 pawn moved to h6, which prevents Ng5.
>>>I would be surprised if any amateur program can find this, other
>>>than Ruffian.
>>>
>>>[D]r1b1k2r/pp3pp1/4pb1p/2n5/3RB3/4BN2/PqP1QPPP/3R2K1 w kq - 0 1
>>>
>>>r1b1k2r/pp3pp1/4pb1p/2n5/3RB3/4BN2/PqP1QPPP/3R2K1 w kq - 0 1
>>>
>>>Ruffian, Athlon 1.6ghz, 34 seconds:
>>>
>>>8642 >first : analyze
>>>11426 <first : 9 -51 276 3239593  Bc1 Qb6 Rd6 Qa5 Bd5 O-O Bc4 b5 Bd2
>>>15703 <first : 10 -67 705 8455258  Bc1 Qb6 Rd6 Qa5 Bd2 Qa4 Bd5 O-O Bb3 Nxb3 axb3
>>>17505 <first : 10 -65 885 10468898  Qc4 Nxe4 Rxe4 O-O Bd4 Bxd4 Rexd4 e5 Nxe5 Be6
>>>Qb4 Qxa2 Qxb7 Qxc2
>>>29272 <first : 11 -65 2061 24393170  Qc4 Nxe4 Rxe4 O-O Bd4 Bxd4 Rexd4 e5 Nxe5
>>>Be6 Qb4 Qxa2 Qxb7 Qxc2
>>>42721 <first : 11 -30 3407 40328029 Rd8+
>>>42731 <first : ++
>>>46577 <first : 11 2 3793 45118635  Rd8+ Bxd8 Bxc5 Bb6 Qd3 f5 Bxb7 Bxc5 Bc6+ Kf7
>>>Bxa8 Qxa2 Bc6
>>>60898 <first : 12 0 5225 62565022  Rd8+ Bxd8 Bxc5 Bb6 Bd6 Rg8 Bh7 Rh8 Be4
>>>114705 <first : 13 35 10605 127184318 Rd8+
>>>114705 <first : ++
>>>134724 <first : 13 36 12607 151303498  Rd8+ Bxd8 Bxc5 Bb6 Bd6 h5 Be5 Qb4 Bxg7
>>>Rg8 Bf6 Qa4 Bd5 Bd7
>>>255107 <first : 14 53 24646 301833440  Rd8+ Bxd8 Bxc5 Bb6 Bd6 h5 Be5 Qb4 Bxg7
>>>Rg8 Bf6 Qc5 Ne5 Bc7 Nc4
>>
>>Hagrid is not that fast, but finally finds it:
>>Neue Partie
>>r1b1k2r/pp3pp1/4pb1p/2n5/3RB3/4BN2/PqP1QPPP/3R2K1 w kq - 0 1
>>
>>Analysis by Hagrid 0.7.79:
>>
>>1.Le3-c1 Db2xa2 2.De2-b5+
>>  ³  (-0.44)   Tiefe: 1/2   00:00:00
>>1.Le3-c1 Db2xa2 2.De2-b5+
>>  ³  (-0.44)   Tiefe: 2/2   00:00:00
>>1.Le3-c1 Db2xa2 2.De2-b5+ Lc8-d7 3.Td4xd7 Sc5xe4 4.Db5xb7
>>  ²  (0.31)   Tiefe: 3/4   00:00:00
>>1.Le3-c1 Db2xa2 2.De2-b5+ Lc8-d7 3.Td4xd7 Sc5xd7
>>  =  (0.21)   Tiefe: 4/8   00:00:00
>>1.Le3-c1 Db2xa2 2.De2-b5+ Lc8-d7 3.Td4xd7 Sc5xd7 4.Td1xd7
>>  =  (0.11)   Tiefe: 5/10   00:00:00
>>1.Le3-c1 Db2-b6 2.Td4-d6 Db6-b4 3.c2-c4 0-0
>>  µ  (-0.78)   Tiefe: 6/12   00:00:00  141kN
>>1.Le3-c1 Db2-b6 2.Td4-d6 Db6-b4 3.c2-c4 Sc5xe4 4.De2xe4
>>  ³  (-0.63)   Tiefe: 7/12   00:00:00  346kN
>>1.Le3-c1 Db2-b6 2.Td4-d6 Db6-b4 3.Le4-f5 0-0 4.Lc1-d2 Lf6-c3
>>  µ  (-0.96)   Tiefe: 8/16   00:00:04  2278kN
>>1.Le3-c1 Db2-b6 2.Td4-d6 Db6-b4 3.Le4-d5 0-0 4.Ld5-c4
>>  µ  (-1.06)   Tiefe: 9/18   00:00:12  7791kN
>>1.De2-c4 Sc5xe4 2.Td4xe4 0-0 3.Le3-d4 Lf6xd4 4.Te4xd4 e6-e5 5.Sf3xe5 Lc8-e6
>>6.Dc4-c5 Db2xa2
>>  µ  (-1.08)   Tiefe: 10/18   00:00:25  14702kN
>>1.De2-c4 Sc5xe4 2.Td4xe4 0-0 3.Le3-d4 Lf6xd4 4.Te4xd4 b7-b6 5.c2-c3
>>  µ  (-1.19)   Tiefe: 11/22   00:02:19  92068kN
>>1.De2-c4 Sc5xe4 2.Le3-c1 Db2-b6 3.Dc4-a4+ Db6-c6 4.Da4xc6+ b7xc6 5.Td4xe4 0-0
>>6.Sf3-e5 c6-c5 7.Se5-d7 Lc8xd7 8.Td1xd7
>>  µ  (-1.20)   Tiefe: 12/22   00:03:23  140056kN
>>1.Le3-c1 Db2-b6 2.Lc1-e3 Lf6xd4 3.Le3xd4 0-0 4.De2-c4 Tf8-d8
>>  µ  (-1.22)   Tiefe: 13/26   00:08:16  358595kN
>>1.Td4-d8+ Lf6xd8 2.Le3xc5 Ld8-f6 3.De2-d3 a7-a6 4.Dd3-d6 Db2-b5 5.Sf3-d4 Db5-d7
>>6.Dd6xd7+ Lc8xd7 7.Le4xb7 Ta8-b8 8.Lb7xa6 Lf6-e5
>>  µ  (-1.19)   Tiefe: 13/27   00:20:11  898028kN
>>1.Td4-d8+ Lf6xd8 2.Le3xc5 Ld8-b6 3.Lc5-d6 Lb6-d8 4.Ld6-e5 Db2-b4
>>  =  (0.03)   Tiefe: 14/29   00:50:00  2174568kN
>>1.Td4-d8+ Lf6xd8 2.Le3xc5 Ld8-b6 3.Lc5-d6 Lb6-d8 4.Ld6-e5 Db2-b4 5.Le5xg7 Th8-g8
>>6.Lg7xh6 f7-f6 7.Le4-f5 Ke8-e7 8.Sf3-d4 Db4-b6
>>  =  (0.03)   Tiefe: 15/33   01:30:02  4041326kN
>
>20 min, excellent.  Hagrid looks like it's improving all the time.
>
>Will

I think that it is also a question of evaluation.

Movei does not find it in few hours
but the difference between the score before Rd8+ and
the score after Rd8+ if I give it 10 minutes to search
is only a positional difference so I guess that a small
change in the evaluation
can help it to find it in less than an hour.

Uri



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