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Subject: Re: Great Result for Fritz and puts to rest some questions.

Author: Dana Turnmire

Date: 10:04:30 10/19/02

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On October 19, 2002 at 13:01:18, Mark Young wrote:

>On October 19, 2002 at 12:46:34, Dana Turnmire wrote:
>
>>On October 19, 2002 at 11:23:34, Mark Young wrote:
>>
>>>A very disappointing end to the match as a draw was accepted much too early by
>>>the Fritz team with this type of endgame structure. There was a good chance to
>>>gain the advantage for black in this endgame with little risk of losing.
>>>
>>>The GM Kramnik vs. Deep Fritz match has put to rest some questions, or maybe
>>>not!
>>>
>>>1.	Do PC programs play at a GM Level? – Clearly Yes.
>>>
>>>2.	Can PC programs win against a well prepared and motivated Grand Master? –
>>>Yes.

That still doesn't answer the question of how well a computer program would do
against a top grandmaster with no opening book.
>>>
>>>3.	Is it easy to force the PC programs into unfavorable position were the human
>>>has the advantage when the human player does not control the opening book? – No.
>>>
>>>4.	Was Deep Blue 1997 was much stronger then Deep Fritz and other PC programs? -
>>>No.
>>>
>>>5.	Can a PC program compete with the worlds best chess players even when it is
>>>for sale to the public and everyone has a chance to play against the program? –
>>>Yes.
>>>
>>>6.	Is it easy to trick a PC program with anti-computer tactics? – No.
>>>
>>>7.	Do computer programs have too many weaknesses in there play to let them be
>>>competitive with the worlds best chess players. Clearly No.
>>>
>>>8.	Will it take another 10 years before anyone can have a computer that plays as
>>>well as Deep Blue? No.
>>>
>>>9.	Do computers need to search many millions of nodes per second as Deep Blue
>>>did to be competitive with the world’s best player(s)? – No.
>>
>>How well would a computer program do against the top grandmasters if it had to
>>generate its own moves from start to finish without human intervention in the
>>opening play?  Uri Blass said he didn't put much stock in openings books.  I'm a
>>little surprised by that statment since it seems everyone puts such emphasis on
>>what opening book should be used etc.
>>
>>Humans have to learn and memorize the best lines for openings.  Why should
>>humans play that part of the game for the computer?  I understand the purpose
>>for opening books but to find out if computers are really superior to humans
>>shouldn't the computers have to learn and memorize the best opening moves just
>>as all humans have to do?
>
>What good human player has not been programmed with opening theory just as the
>computer is programmed with opening theory. The human does no thinking in the
>opening other then to try a choose favorable lines just as the computer does.
>
>What human generates his own moves for the start??? None unless you have never
>seen or played chess before.
>
>One way to test this is to play shuffle chess...I would suspect computers to be
>far more superior at this form of chess then any human.
>
>Humans are far more lost then computers when you put them into a position they
>have never seen before or have some sence how to play.
>
>I would bet Deep Fritz would beat any human in the world at a shuffle chess
>match. I have got 25 cents to bet if you disagree.



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