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Subject: Re: Argument Supporting Fritz Being Alive

Author: Bob Durrett

Date: 11:51:42 10/19/02

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On October 19, 2002 at 12:09:38, Louis Fagliano wrote:

>On October 19, 2002 at 10:47:01, Bob Durrett wrote:
>
>>Consider an analogy between an amoeba and Fritz:
>>
>>Most people would agree that amoebas are alive.  But suppose some very tiny
>>predator were to take a very tiny bite out of one particular amoeba?  Furthur,
>>suppose that the bite was so tiny that it only removed only one single atom from
>>the amoeba.  Chances are, that bite would not kill that amoeba.  But then let
>>another very tiny predator take another very tiny bite [another atom] out of
>>that same amoeba.  Maybe that bite, too, would not kill the amoeba.  But let the
>>process continue, one bite at a time until that poor amoeba is all eaten up.
>>Most would agree that life would have left the amoeba after one of those bites.
>>[Unless one believes in "amoeba ghosts."]
>>
>>Most would also agree that the original amoeba consisted of a finite number of
>>atoms, arranged together in a very special way.  But who would seriously assert
>>that individual atoms are alive?  I wouldn't.  And yet, the amoeba, consisting
>>of a finite number of atoms, is alive.  Something, life, is added to the
>>collection of inanimate atoms.  How?  I don't know.
>>
>>Now lets look at Fritz.
>>
>>Fritz may be considered to be "merely" a collection of machine instructions,
>>with the machine instructions arranged in a very special way.  A very large
>>collection, indeed.  Just like the amoeba is a very large collection of atoms.
>>
>>Most would agree that a single machine instruction is not alive.  But what about
>>the very large collection of machine instructions called Fritz?  If a very large
>>collection of inanimate atoms can have life, why not the same for a very large
>>collection of inanimate machine instructions?
>>
>>It seems that life cannot be ruled out for Fritz!  Of course, this by itself
>>does not prove that Fritz is alive.  But it does rule out the possibility that
>>Fritz could not be alive.
>>
>>Life is not created in the image of Man.
>>
>>More later.
>>
>>Bob D.
>
>An atom and a machine instruction are are not even close to being the same.  In
>fact, the only thing they have in common is that they are both nouns.
>
>An atom is a type of noun that is a "thing".  It has mass and other properties
>associated with mass.  Other types of nouns are, of course, persons (which are a
>subtype of "things"), places, things, qualities, or acts.  Only things and
>persons are actual physical objects.  Places, qualities, and acts, though they
>are nouns, and can be perceived, are not entities existing in space or time.  A
>law is a noun but is no attributes associated with a thing.  Thus, it is
>meaningless to ask, for example, what is the temperature of the three strikes
>and you're out law.
>
>So I claim that not only is Fritz not alive, it's not even an inanimate object!
>The inanimate object is the actual computer running Fritz.  Fritz exists on
>level that's removed from even being an inanimate object let alone being alive.
>It's the set of instructions for inanimate object to perform.

So, you prefer to define life as being something physical?  If so, is this just
a preference, or is there some reason?

Bob D.

P.S.  It's OK with me for people to have preferences different from mine.



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