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Subject: Re: 12(6) issue resolved

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 14:27:43 10/19/02

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On October 19, 2002 at 17:03:51, Dave Gomboc wrote:

>On October 19, 2002 at 14:45:19, Steve Lim wrote:
>
>>SJLIM: Alot of programmers on CCC have asked me to ask you this.. for
>>clarification..
>>SJLIM: Please explain search depths for the notations 4(5) and clarify earlier
>>comments about 12(6). This may include indicating what is "normal full width"
>>searching, extensions, quiesence search, or other types of searching DB2
>>utilized, and which was done in software versus in the hardware chess chips.
>>SJLIM: Also, what types of pruning were used. This topic has generated enourmous
>>discussion on CCC.
>>CrazyBird: 4(5)means the same thing. 5-ply maximum hardware depth, although it
>>is obviously impossible in this case.
>>CrazyBird: since the brute force depth is 4.
>>CrazyBird: i can't really go into the details of the hardware pruning. it is
>>related to method of analogy pruning, or rather a basterized form of it.
>>CrazyBird: limitation in the contract with ibm.
>>SJLIM: Can this be answered? - Does 12(6) mean the 6 is included _in_ the 12, or
>>in addition to the 12?
>>CrazyBird: 6 is part of 12, but the hardware can search less than 6, that is the
>>software horizon may be more than 6 plies.
>>CrazyBird: and of course, the selective depth can be arbitrarily deep, well, no
>>more than 8 times brute force.
>>CrazyBird: argh, the q search. it is in hardware. both sides are allowed checks
>>in quiescence search. max is 8, i think.
>
>Clearly, Vincent's interpretation is supported here.
>
>I'm still sure they were searching much deeper than 12 ply in important lines
>though!
>
>Dave

Of course and it is the case for every program.

They probably searched more important lines than Fritz so I do not think that
their 12 plies are eqvivalent to fritz's 12 plies but I still strongly believe
that their 12 plies are not more than Fritz's 14 plies and Fritz can search more
than 14 plies in the middle game with fast hardware so I guess that Fritz with
fast hardware is better.

Uri



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