Author: Mark Young
Date: 16:23:38 10/20/02
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On October 20, 2002 at 19:12:39, Bob Durrett wrote:
>On October 20, 2002 at 18:33:25, José Carlos wrote:
>
>>On October 20, 2002 at 18:16:38, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On October 20, 2002 at 17:55:55, Bob Durrett wrote:
>>>
>>>>Why Fritz and Junior not among Top computers at ICC?
>>>>
>>>>I just looked at "best computers" at the Internet Chess Club [ICC] and noted
>>>>that the top blitz programs are NOT Fritz and Junior.
>>>>
>>>>{{Note: at ICC, "best" is a command.}}
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Why is that? Maybe Kramnik was playing against the wrong engine?
>>>>
>>>>Bob D.
>>>
>>>ICC rating is a joke.
>>>
>>>People can maximize their rating by having a list of
>>>players that they do not to play.
>>>
>>>I think that it is better to ignore that rating because
>>>it has no meaning.
>>>
>>>Rating should be based on tournament when players have
>>>no right not to play against special opponents.
>>>
>>>Players who choose not to play against special
>>>opponents should get no rating.
>>>
>>>Another point is that the time control for blitz is not
>>>constant time control and it can be 3 0 or 12 2.
>>>
>>>I think that all games should be played at
>>>the same time control to have rating with meaning.
>>
>> ICC rating is not totally meaningless. It depends on what you want to know. I
>>mean, if I usually play the same time controls and a variety of opponents, I can
>>test my program with two different books and see which one works better. In that
>>case, ICC rating is useful _to me_.
>> But I agree is doesn't always show which player is stronger because of the
>>reasons you mentioned.
>>
>> José C.
>
>OK, so some manipulation is possible. People who used Fritz or Junior could do
>the same thing!
>
>What strikes me is that Fritz and Junior seem to be missing entirely!
>
>Do you suppose somebody has talked the ICC management into boycotting Fritz and
>Junior?
>
>Joke or not, I think it's very strange that Fritz and Junior cannot compete in
>that arena. They could play by the same rules as the others, too!
If you think that Ruffian, Yace, and Crafty are stronger then Deep Fritz and
Deep Junior, I think you should stick with them. But don't ever play them
against Deep Fritz yourself or your world will come crashing down.
>
>Bob D.
>
>>
>>
>>
>>>It is better if you look at the ssdf rating list.
>
>I doubt that the SSDF ratings have anything at all to do with the rating of the
>computers against humans. But the ICC computers ARE playing against humans.
>
>>>
>>>Uri
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