Author: Bob Durrett
Date: 18:16:37 10/20/02
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On October 20, 2002 at 20:23:08, Mike Byrne wrote:
>On October 20, 2002 at 17:55:55, Bob Durrett wrote:
>
>>Why Fritz and Junior not among Top computers at ICC?
>>
>>I just looked at "best computers" at the Internet Chess Club [ICC] and noted
>>that the top blitz programs are NOT Fritz and Junior.
>>
>>{{Note: at ICC, "best" is a command.}}
>>
>>
>>Why is that? Maybe Kramnik was playing against the wrong engine?
>>
>>Bob D.
>
>The ICC is an uncontrolled enviroment -
>
>1. You have muiltple ranges of TC's.
>2. You have unscrupolous operators that will repeatedly plays games against a
>machine that is having problems.
>3. You have rating fanatical operators that do the following:
>
>A. Will only play certain players.
>B. Force the computer to make moves it didn't make.
>C. Will only play higher rated opponents.
>D. Etc
>
>4. A variety of hardware, some with SMP, some with not.
>5. Internet instability - causing some programs to lose a won position, or win
>a lost position. Various glitches happen.
>6. A wide range of operator experience - some are better than others.
>
>SSDF is a much better guess because is has better controlled enviroment - but
>that has it faults too.
True enough. Not nearly a controlled environment. But there is one merit of
the ICC environment. Games are being played between the top programs and
HUMANs. The SSDF may have a much better controlled environment. But they are
the wrong kinds of games! If you wish to obtain any information at all about
how computers would do against the humans, then SSDF seems like the last place
in the world to go. They do not even address the issue.
The question is: "Which program would be best in a match with the top human?
The answer must be "The best choice would be the chess engine has been the top
performer against humans, especially the top GMs."
Only then can there be an answer to the more general question: "Have the chess
engines yet reached the performance level needed to beat the top human?"
Bob D.
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