Author: George Sobala
Date: 00:40:11 10/21/02
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On October 20, 2002 at 21:16:37, Bob Durrett wrote:
>On October 20, 2002 at 20:23:08, Mike Byrne wrote:
>
>>On October 20, 2002 at 17:55:55, Bob Durrett wrote:
>>
>>>Why Fritz and Junior not among Top computers at ICC?
>>>
>>>I just looked at "best computers" at the Internet Chess Club [ICC] and noted
>>>that the top blitz programs are NOT Fritz and Junior.
>>>
>>>{{Note: at ICC, "best" is a command.}}
>>>
>>>
>>>Why is that? Maybe Kramnik was playing against the wrong engine?
>>>
>>>Bob D.
>>
>>The ICC is an uncontrolled enviroment -
>>
>>1. You have muiltple ranges of TC's.
>>2. You have unscrupolous operators that will repeatedly plays games against a
>>machine that is having problems.
>>3. You have rating fanatical operators that do the following:
>>
>>A. Will only play certain players.
>>B. Force the computer to make moves it didn't make.
>>C. Will only play higher rated opponents.
>>D. Etc
>>
>>4. A variety of hardware, some with SMP, some with not.
>>5. Internet instability - causing some programs to lose a won position, or win
>>a lost position. Various glitches happen.
>>6. A wide range of operator experience - some are better than others.
>>
>>SSDF is a much better guess because is has better controlled enviroment - but
>>that has it faults too.
>
>True enough. Not nearly a controlled environment. But there is one merit of
>the ICC environment. Games are being played between the top programs and
>HUMANs. The SSDF may have a much better controlled environment. But they are
>the wrong kinds of games! If you wish to obtain any information at all about
>how computers would do against the humans, then SSDF seems like the last place
>in the world to go. They do not even address the issue.
>
>The question is: "Which program would be best in a match with the top human?
>The answer must be "The best choice would be the chess engine has been the top
>performer against humans, especially the top GMs."
>
>Only then can there be an answer to the more general question: "Have the chess
>engines yet reached the performance level needed to beat the top human?"
>
>Bob D.
Yes, but nearly all human v comp play at ICC is at Blitz, which favours the
comps (pick up wins for blunders), and the comps are thus not put to a real
chess test.
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