Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 08:03:57 10/21/02
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On October 21, 2002 at 05:36:23, Brian Katz wrote: I also miss to see why deepfritz7 is better than fritz7 (for e xample fritz7.0.0.6). I guess that the new policy of not including tournament book into deepfritz7, whereas the fritz7 book seems stronger to me (i could have been fooled there though) is playing a big part into this. > Here is an interesting experiment involving Hash Table settings. >This was run on a single processor 350MHz Pent II 384 SDRAM with Nalimov 4 disc >Endgame Turbo plus additional downloaded 5 piece endgames and Permanent Brain >turned off. > > For my computer's speed the proper HASH TABLE settings for game 5/12 should be >16 MB. I have found that 32MB has always worked well, however. >As an experiment, since I believe Fritz 7 performs better than Deep-Fritz 7 when >using a single processor (even though Chessbase boasts otherwise, stating that >DF7 is stronger even when usning a single processor). > I raised the Hash Table settings for Fritz 7 to 192 MB as opposed to >Deep-Fritz 7 set at 32 MB Hash. > Surely, 192 should be much too high for such a time control with my processor >speed. Well, Fritz 7 still beat out Deep-Fritz 7 by 5.0-3.0 > >Blitz:5'+12" 0 > > 12345678 >1 Fritz 7 110½011½ 5.0/8 >2 Deep Fritz 7 001½100½ 3.0/8 > > Can anyone please explain this please? Aren't proper Hash Settings supposed to >make a difference in the playing strength of an engine? Surely, Fritz 7 should >have lost with such a ridiculously high Hash Table Setting, should it? > Or, is it just a total waste of time to run a engine tournament on one PC? > I have found out that Fritz 7 has been continually out performing DF7 in >engine tournaments. BUT I have also been getting better results with Fritz 7 >than DF7 on ICC vs Human competition on my Computer account. > >Here the games for any who are interested: > > >Fritz 7 - Deep Fritz 7 [E39] >Blitz:5'+12" Eatontown (1.1), 21.10.2002 > >1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.Qc2 c5 5.dxc5 0-0 6.a3 Bxc5 7.Nf3 Nc6 8.Bg5 Nd4 >9.Nxd4 Bxd4 10.e3 Qa5 11.exd4 Qxg5 12.Qd2 Qxd2+ 13.Kxd2 b6 14.Bd3 Bb7 15.f3 d5 >16.c5 bxc5 17.dxc5 a6 18.Rhe1 Rfe8 19.b4 e5 20.Rac1 Bc6 21.Ne2 Red8 22.Ng3 e4 >23.Bc2 g6 24.Ne2 d4 25.fxe4 Bxe4 26.Bd3 Bxg2 27.Rg1 Bc6 28.Rc4 Nd7 29.Nxd4 Ne5 >30.Nxc6 Nxc4+ 31.Kc3 Rxd3+ 32.Kxd3 Nxa3 33.Ra1 Nb5 34.Kc4 Kf8 35.Rxa6 Rxa6 >36.Kxb5 Ra2 37.h4 f5 38.Kb6 f4 39.Nd4 Rd2 40.Nf3 Rd3 41.Ne5 Re3 42.Ng4 Re4 43.b5 >f3 44.Nh2 f2 45.Kc6 Rxh4 46.b6 g5 47.b7 Rb4 48.Kc7 g4 49.Nf1 Ke7 50.c6 Rb1 >51.b8Q Rxf1 52.Qb4+ Kf6 53.Qd2 Rb1 54.Qxf2+ Ke5 55.Qe2+ 1-0 > > > >Deep Fritz 7 - Fritz 7 [C42] >Blitz:5'+12" Eatontown (2.1), 21.10.2002 > >1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nxe5 d6 4.Nf3 Nxe4 5.d4 d5 6.Bd3 Nc6 7.0-0 Be7 8.Re1 Bg4 >9.c3 f5 10.Nbd2 0-0 11.Qb3 Na5 12.Qa4 Nc6 13.Qb3 Na5 14.Qc2 Bd6 15.Ne5 Bxe5 >16.dxe5 Qh4 17.Rf1 Nxd2 18.Bxd2 (Qxd2) 18...f4 (Nc4) 19.c4 Nc6 (Nxc4) 20.cxd5 >Nd4 (Nxe5) 21.Qc3 Bf3 (Ne2+) 22.Bxh7+ Kh8 23.Kh1 Bxd5 24.Qd3 f3 25.g4 Ne2 >26.Qxd5 Rad8 (Qh3) 27.Qc5 Kxh7 28.Be3 Qxg4 29.Qc2+ Kg8 (Kh8) 30.Rg1 Nxg1 31.Rxg1 >(Qb3+) 31...Qe6 32.Qxc7 Rd7 33.Qc2 (Qa5) 33...Qxe5 34.b4 (Bxa7) 34...b6 (b5) >35.a4 Re8 (Qh5) 36.b5 Qd5 37.Qc3 Re4 38.a5 (h3) 38...bxa5 39.Qc8+ Kh7 40.Qc2 a4 >41.Qb1 (Ra1) 41...Kg8 42.Qc1 (Rc1) 42...Qxb5 (Re8) 43.Qc8+ Kh7 44.Qc2 (Qc3) >44...Qc4 45.Qb1 a3 46.h3 a2 47.Qb2 Qe6 48.Kh2 Rxe3 (Qd6+) 49.fxe3 Qxe3 50.Qxa2 >Rd2+ 51.Qxd2 Qxd2+ 52.Kg3 Qg5+ 0-1 > > > >Fritz 7 - Deep Fritz 7 [E62] >Blitz:5'+12" Eatontown (3.1), 21.10.2002 > >1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nf3 Bg7 4.g3 0-0 5.Bg2 c6 6.Nc3 d6 7.0-0 Qa5 8.h3 Be6 9.d5 >cxd5 10.Nd4 dxc4 11.Bxb7 Nbd7 12.Nc6 Qh5 13.Nxe7+ Kh8 14.Ned5 Nxd5 15.Nxd5 Rab8 >16.Nf4 Qc5 17.Be3 Qe5 18.Nxe6 fxe6 19.Bc6 Nb6 20.Rc1 (Rb1) 20...d5 (Nd5) 21.Rc2 >Qc7 (Qd6) 22.Bb5 Nc8 (Qb7) 23.Ba4 Rxb2 24.Rxb2 Bxb2 25.Qd2 (Bc2) 25...Bg7 26.Bc2 >Nd6 27.Rb1 Nf5 28.Bxf5 gxf5 (Rxf5) 29.Kh2 (Bh6) 29...Rc8 (c3) 30.Rb4 Kg8 (Qf7) >31.Qc2 (Bh6) 31...d4 (Qe7) 32.Bf4 e5 33.Bc1 (Bg5) 33...e4 34.Bf4 Qc6 35.Qd1 >(Rb1) 35...d3 (Qd5) 36.exd3 (Be3) 36...exd3 37.Be3 Qd5 38.Bxa7 (a4) 38...c3 >(Bf8) 39.Be3 c2 (d2) 40.Qc1 Bc3 41.Rb1 cxb1R 42.Qxb1 d2 43.Qd1 Bb4 0-1 > > > >Deep Fritz 7 - Fritz 7 [D46] >Blitz:5'+12" Eatontown (4.1), 21.10.2002 > >1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 e6 5.e3 Nbd7 6.Qc2 Bd6 7.Bd3 0-0 8.0-0 dxc4 >9.Bxc4 e5 10.Bb3 Qe7 11.Bd2 e4 12.Ng5 Bxh2+ 13.Kxh2 Ng4+ 14.Kg1 Qxg5 15.Qxe4 Nb6 >16.Ne2 Nf6 17.Qf4 Qg6 18.Rad1 Be6 19.Bxe6 fxe6 20.Qh4 Rae8 21.Nf4 Qf5 22.f3 Qc2 >(Nc4) 23.Bb4 Rf7 24.Qf2 (Nd3) 24...Qc4 (Qa4) 25.a3 (Nd3) 25...Qb5 26.e4 a5 >27.Bc5 Nc4 28.b3 Qxb3 29.Rb1 Qe3 (Qa4) 30.Qxe3 Nxe3 31.Rfe1 Nc4 32.Nd3 (a4) >32...b5 33.Nb2 Nd2 (Nxb2) 34.Rbc1 Nd7 35.Bd6 (Re3) 35...Nb3 36.Rxc6 Nxd4 37.Ra6 >a4 (Nb3) 38.Rd1 e5 (Ne2+) 39.Ra7 g5 40.Nd3 g4 41.Ne1 Ne2+ (gxf3) 42.Kf1 Nc3 >43.Rd3 (Rc1) 43...Nxe4 44.Bb4 Nef6 45.Rd6 e4 46.f4 Rb8 (Nf8) 47.Bc3 h5 48.Raa6 >(Rc7) 48...Rbf8 (Ne8) 49.g3 (Ra7) 49...h4 50.gxh4 Kh7 51.Ra7 Rg7 52.Rb7 g3 >53.Bb2 (Bd4) 53...Kg8 54.Ng2 Rc8 55.Rxb5 Rc2 56.Bxf6 Nxf6 57.Rxf6 Rc1+ 58.Ke2 >Rc2+ 59.Ke3 Rxg2 60.Rb8+ Kh7 61.Rff8 Kg6 (Rc2) 62.Kxe4 (f5+) 62...Rh2 (Re7+) >63.Kf3 Rxh4 64.Ra8 (Kxg3) 64...g2 65.Kxg2 Kh5+ 66.Kf2 (Kf3) 66...Rh2+ 67.Ke3 >(Kf3) 67...Rh3+ 68.Ke4 Rxa3 69.f5 (Kf5) 69...Kg5 70.f6 (Ra6) 70...Rc7 (Rh7) >71.Ke5 (Ra6) 71...Re3+ 72.Kd6 Rb7 73.Kc6 Rh7 (Reb3) 74.f7 (Ra5+) 74...Kf6 75.Ra7 >Re7 76.Rfa8 (Rxa4) 76...Rhxf7 77.Rxa4 (Rxe7) 77...Re6+ (Re1) 78.Kc5 (Kb5) >78...Rc7+ (Re5+) 79.Kb5 (Kd4) 79...Re5+ 80.Kb6 Rce7 (Rec5) 81.Rf4+ (Rf8+) >81...Kg7 (Kg5) 82.Rd4 (Raf8) 82...Kg6 (R7e6+) 83.Rg8+ Kf5 84.Rf8+ Ke6 (Kg5) >85.Rfd8 (Kc6) 85...Re2 (Re1) 86.Ka5 (Rd2) 86...Kf5 87.R4d6 Rb2 88.Ka6 (Rd5+) >88...Rb1 (Re1) 89.Rd3 Re6+ (Ke4) 90.Ka5 Reb6 (Ra1+) 91.R3d5+ (Rd1) 91...Ke6 >92.Rd2 (Rd1) 92...R6b3 (R1b5+) 93.R8d6+ (Re2+) 93...Ke5 (Kf7) 94.R2d5+ (R6d5+) >94...Kf4 (Ke4) 95.Ka6 (Rd4+) 95...R3b2 (Rb8) 96.Rd4+ Ke3 (Ke5) 97.Ra4 (Rd3+) >97...Rb8 (Rb4) 98.Rd7 (Re6+) 98...R8b6+ (Ra8+) 99.Ka7 R6b2 (R6b4) 100.Ra6 Ke4 >101.Rd8 (Rad6) 101...Rb7+ (Ke5) 102.Ka8 R7b3 (R7b6) 103.Ra7 Rc1 104.Re7+ Kf5 >105.Rf8+ Kg6 106.Ra7 (Rb7) 106...Rbc3 (Rcb1) 107.Rg8+ (Raf7) 107...Kf5 108.Ra5+ >(Rf8+) 108...Ke4 109.Rg4+ (Re8+) 109...Kf3 110.Rga4 (Rg8) 110...Rc7 (Rc8+) >111.Rh4 (Re5) 111...Kg3 112.Rd4 (Rh8) 112...Kf2 (Kf3) 113.Rad5 Re7 114.Rd2+ Ke1 >(Ke3) 115.Rb2 (Rd7) 115...Rc8+ 116.Rb8 Rc2 (Rxb8+) 117.Ra5 (Rh8) 117...Ke2 >(Rce2) 118.Ra3 (Ra7) 118...Kf2 (Re3) 119.Rd8 Rc1 (Rce2) 120.Rh8 (Ra7) 120...Rcc7 >(Ke2) 121.Rb3 Ra7+ 122.Kb8 Ra4 (Ra1) 123.Rc8 (Rb2+) 123...Ra2 (Rae4) 124.Rd8 >(Rf8+) 124...Rf7 (Re3) 125.Re8 (Rbd3) 125...Rf3 (Ra1) 126.Rxf3+ Kxf3 127.Rf8+ >Ke3 (Ke4) 128.Re8+ Kd3 (Kf4) ½-½ > > > >Fritz 7 - Deep Fritz 7 [C98] >Blitz:5'+12" Eatontown (5.1), 21.10.2002 > >1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 0-0 8.c3 d6 9.h3 >Na5 10.Bc2 c5 11.d4 Qc7 12.Nbd2 Nc6 13.d5 Nd8 14.a4 Rb8 15.axb5 axb5 16.b4 c4 >17.Nf1 Ne8 18.N3h2 f6 19.f4 exf4 20.Bxf4 Nf7 21.Ne3 Bd8 22.Nf3 Ne5 23.Nd4 (Rf1) >23...Qb7 (Qf7) 24.Bxe5 (Rf1) 24...fxe5 25.Nc6 Bh4 26.Rf1 Ra8 27.Rxf8+ Kxf8 >28.Rxa8 Qxa8 29.Qh5 Qa1+ 30.Nd1 Be1 31.Qxh7 Qc1 (Nf6) 32.Kf1 (Qh8+) 32...Qxc2 >(Bd2) 33.Kxe1 Qxg2 34.Qh8+ Kf7 35.Qh5+ (Nd8+) 35...g6 (Kf8) 36.Qh7+ Ng7 37.Nd8+ >Ke7 38.Qh4+ (Nc6+) 38...g5 39.Nc6+ Kf7 40.Qf2+ Qxf2+ 41.Nxf2 Nh5 42.Na7 Bd7 >43.Ke2 (Kd2) 43...Kg6 (Nf4+) 44.Kd1 (Ke3) 44...Nf4 45.Kd2 Kf7 46.Ke3 Kg7 47.Kd2 >Kf6 (Kg6) 48.Ng4+ (Ke3) 48...Ke7 49.Nf2 Kd8 50.Ng4 (Ke3) 50...Nxh3 51.Nf6 g4 >52.Ke3 (Ke1) 52...Ng5 53.Nxd7 (Kf2) 53...Kxd7 54.Nxb5 g3 55.Na3 (Ke2) 55...Nxe4 >56.Kf3 Nxc3 57.Nxc4 Nxd5 58.b5 Nc3 59.b6 Ne4 60.Ne3 Nd2+ 61.Kxg3 Kc6 62.Kf2 Kxb6 >63.Ke2 Ne4 64.Ng4 Kb5 (Kc6) 65.Kd3 Nc5+ 66.Kc3 (Kd2) 66...Nd7 67.Ne3 Kc5 68.Ng4 >e4 (d5) 69.Kd2 Ne5 70.Nf6 Kd4 71.Kd1 e3 (Nd3) 72.Nh5 Ng6 73.Ke2 d5 74.Kd1 (Ke1) >74...Kd3 75.Ke1 e2 (d4) 76.Ng3 (Nf6) 76...Nf4 77.Kf2 Kd2 78.Kg1 (Kf3) 78...e1Q+ >79.Nf1+ Ke2 80.Kh2 (Kh1) 80...Qf2+ 81.Kh1 Qg2# 0-1 > > > >Deep Fritz 7 - Fritz 7 [D46] >Blitz:5'+12" Eatontown (6.1), 21.10.2002 > >1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 e6 3.d4 Nf6 4.Nc3 c6 5.e3 Nbd7 6.Qc2 Bd6 7.Be2 0-0 8.0-0 dxc4 >9.Bxc4 a6 10.Bd2 c5 11.Bd3 Qc7 12.Rac1 c4 13.Be2 b5 14.e4 e5 15.dxe5 (h3) >15...Nxe5 16.Nxe5 Bxe5 17.f4 Bd4+ (Bxc3) 18.Kh1 Bb7 19.e5 Nd5 20.Bf3 (Nxd5) >20...Bxc3 (Rfd8) 21.bxc3 Rfe8 (f6) 22.Rcd1 Ne7 (Rad8) 23.Bxb7 (Bg4) 23...Qxb7 >24.Be3 Rad8 25.Kg1 (Bd4) 25...Qc8 26.Rxd8 Rxd8 27.Bd4 (f5) 27...Qf5 (Nc6) 28.Qb1 >Qxb1 29.Rxb1 Nf5 30.Bc5 h5 31.Rb2 (a4) 31...Rd5 (Rd3) 32.Bb4 Ne3 33.Re2 Rd3 >34.g3 (Re1) 34...Nd5 35.f5 Nxc3 36.Re1 Nd5 37.e6 fxe6 38.fxe6 Re3 39.Rxe3 Nxe3 >40.Kf2 Nd5 41.Bd6 Nc3 42.Ke1 Nxa2 43.Kd1 Nc3+ (b4) 44.Kc2 Nd5 45.Kc1 b4 46.h3 a5 >47.g4 (Kb2) 47...hxg4 48.hxg4 g5 49.Bc5 Kg7 50.Bd4+ Kf8 (Kg6) 51.Bc5+ Ke8 52.Kb1 >Nc3+ (a4) 53.Ka1 Ne4 54.Bb6 a4 55.Ba5 b3 56.Kb2 c3+ 57.Bxc3 Nxc3 58.Ka3 Nb5+ >(Ke7) 0-1 > > > >Fritz 7 - Deep Fritz 7 [D87] >Blitz:5'+12" Eatontown (7.1), 21.10.2002 > >1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.cxd5 Nxd5 5.e4 Nxc3 6.bxc3 Bg7 7.Bc4 c5 8.Ne2 Nc6 >9.Be3 0-0 10.0-0 Qc7 11.Rc1 Rd8 12.Bf4 Qd7 13.d5 Na5 14.Bd3 e5 15.Be3 b6 16.f4 >c4 17.Bc2 Qe7 18.Qe1 Nb7 19.fxe5 Bxe5 20.Nd4 Bd7 (Na5) 21.Nf3 Bg7 22.Bd4 Bg4 >23.Qd2 (Qg3) 23...Bxf3 24.Rxf3 Be5 (Bxd4+) 25.Bxe5 (Qh6) 25...Qxe5 26.Qh6 Re8 >27.Rxf7 Qh8 28.Rxb7 Reb8 29.Rd7 Rd8 30.Ba4 Rxd7 31.Bxd7 Qg7 32.Qxg7+ Kxg7 33.e5 >1-0 > > > >Deep Fritz 7 - Fritz 7 [D46] >Blitz:5'+12" Eatontown (8.1), 21.10.2002 > >1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.e3 e6 5.Qc2 Nbd7 6.Nc3 Bd6 7.Bd3 0-0 8.0-0 dxc4 >9.Bxc4 a6 10.a4 c5 11.Rd1 Qc7 12.Ne4 Nxe4 13.Qxe4 Nf6 14.Qh4 cxd4 15.Bd3 Qa5 >16.Nxd4 e5 17.Nf3 Qc7 18.Bd2 Qe7 19.Bc3 h6 20.a5 Bg4 21.Qg3 (Be2) 21...Rac8 >22.Be2 (Bf1) 22...Rfe8 23.e4 Bh5 (Qe6) 24.Bd3 Bg6 (Bb4) 25.Qh4 Rcd8 (Red8) >26.Ra4 Rd7 (Qe6) 27.b3 Rc8 28.Bd2 Rcd8 29.Rc4 (Qg3) 29...Bc7 30.Bf1 (Be2) >30...Bxa5 31.Bxa5 Rxd1 32.Bxd8 Qxd8 33.Qh3 Rxf1+ 34.Kxf1 Qd3+ 35.Ke1 Qb1+ 36.Ke2 >Nxe4 37.Nd2 Nxd2 38.Kxd2 Qa2+ (b5) 39.Ke1 Qa1+ 40.Ke2 Qb2+ (Kh7) 41.Kf1 (Ke1) >41...Qb1+ 42.Ke2 Kh7 (b5) 43.Qe3 Qh1 44.Qg3 (Qf3) 44...Qa1 (Qg1) 45.Qe3 Qg1 >46.g3 (Qxe5) 46...b5 47.Rc1 Qxh2 48.Qxe5 Qg2 49.Ra1 (b4) 49...Qc6 50.Kf1 f6 >(Qh1+) 51.Qd4 Qf3 52.Rxa6 Bh5 (Bd3+) 53.Kg1 Qxb3 54.Qd7 Qb1+ (b4) 55.Kg2 Qe4+ >56.Kh2 Be8 (f5) 57.Qe6 (Re6) 57...Qg6 (Qxe6) 58.Ra7 Qh5+ 59.Kg1 Qc5 60.Qe7 Qxe7 >61.Rxe7 Bc6 62.Re6 Bd5 63.Rb6 Bc4 64.f4 (g4) 64...Kg6 (f5) 65.Rb7 h5 66.Kf2 Kh6 >67.Rb6 Kh7 (Kg6) 68.Ke3 Kg6 69.Ke4 (Rb7) 69...Bf1 70.Rb8 Kh7 71.Rf8 (Rb6) >71...Be2 (Bc4) 72.Kd4 (Rb8) 72...Bc4 (Kg6) 73.f5 (Ke4) 73...Kh6 74.Rd8 (Rb8) >74...Kg5 75.Ke4 (Rd7) 75...Bb3 (Bf1) 76.Rd7 (Rc8) 76...Bc2+ 77.Ke3 (Kd4) 77...b4 >78.Rxg7+ Kxf5 79.Rb7 b3 (Kg4) 80.Rb4 Kg5 81.Kd2 f5 82.Rf4 Be4 (Kg6) 83.Kc3 Bd5 >84.Kb2 Kf6 (Bg2) 85.Rd4 (Rh4) 85...Be6 (Ke5) 86.Rd8 (Rh4) 86...Kg5 (Ke5) 87.Re8 >(Rd4) 87...Bf7 88.Rf8 Kg6 (Bc4) 89.Kc3 (Rd8) 89...Kf6 (f4) 90.Kb2 (Rd8) 90...Kg7 >(Kg6) 91.Ra8 (Rd8) 91...Bc4 (Kg6) 92.Kc3 Be6 93.Ra7+ (Kb2) 93...Bf7 (Kf6) 94.Ra6 >f4 95.gxf4 h4 96.Ra1 (Rd6) 96...Kg6 (h3) 97.Ra8 h3 (Be6) 98.Rh8 ½-½ > >If anyone has some explanations, it would be greatly appreciated. > >Brian Katz
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