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Subject: Re: Behind deep Blue

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 15:08:43 10/22/02

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On October 22, 2002 at 16:29:46, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On October 22, 2002 at 14:31:29, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>
>>I think that by this definition kasparov made at least 4 bad moves.
>>
>>1)Resignining in a draw position in game 2
>>2)losing game 6(I do not think that h6 was the losing blunder but he did a
>>mistake that lost the game)
>>3)doing mistakes in game 2 before resigning that gave deeper blue the
>>opportunity to win the game with Kh1 and not Kf1(I did not analyze to try to
>>find the exact bad moves)
>
>Which move?  IE white may simply have a forced win, at least in that
>opening, for all we know.  And note that Kh1 vs Kf1 is not a closed issue
>yet.  Hsu claimed to have done some analysis with DB2 that suggested that
>Kf1 is perfectly ok, but that a later rook move (Ra6 I think) actually allowed
>the perpetual to occur.
>
>
>>4)Missing a win in game 4 when Kasparov got a winning position in the endgame
>>after 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d6(I read analysis that suggested a win for kasparov but it
>>was not  simple win and I believe that it is not something that the programs of
>>today can see,I remember that I could win programs by following the moves of
>>black in the analysis few years ago but programs(at least at that time saw that
>>kasparov is winning only many plies after the relevant position).
>
>I don't buy that one.  Until someone shows a move he missed that would have
>resulted in
>a forced win, or a move he played that resulted in a forced loss while he had a
>drawing or
>winning move elsewhere...

I remember that I read analysis that said that he missed a forced win

Unfortunately I did not save the analysis so I am not sure what was the exact
moves.

If I remember correctly it was in KRRPP vs KRRPPP when the 2 pawns of kasparov
could be stronger than the 3 pawns of deeper blue.

I could only find in the following link that kasaprov missed at least one forced
win in game 4
read the comments about game 4 in
http://www.cs.vu.nl/~aske/db.html

Uri



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