Author: Uri Blass
Date: 15:44:46 10/22/02
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On October 22, 2002 at 18:26:55, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On October 22, 2002 at 18:08:43, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On October 22, 2002 at 16:29:46, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On October 22, 2002 at 14:31:29, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>I think that by this definition kasparov made at least 4 bad moves. >>>> >>>>1)Resignining in a draw position in game 2 >>>>2)losing game 6(I do not think that h6 was the losing blunder but he did a >>>>mistake that lost the game) >>>>3)doing mistakes in game 2 before resigning that gave deeper blue the >>>>opportunity to win the game with Kh1 and not Kf1(I did not analyze to try to >>>>find the exact bad moves) >>> >>>Which move? IE white may simply have a forced win, at least in that >>>opening, for all we know. And note that Kh1 vs Kf1 is not a closed issue >>>yet. Hsu claimed to have done some analysis with DB2 that suggested that >>>Kf1 is perfectly ok, but that a later rook move (Ra6 I think) actually allowed >>>the perpetual to occur. >>> >>> >>>>4)Missing a win in game 4 when Kasparov got a winning position in the endgame >>>>after 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d6(I read analysis that suggested a win for kasparov but it >>>>was not simple win and I believe that it is not something that the programs of >>>>today can see,I remember that I could win programs by following the moves of >>>>black in the analysis few years ago but programs(at least at that time saw that >>>>kasparov is winning only many plies after the relevant position). >>> >>>I don't buy that one. Until someone shows a move he missed that would have >>>resulted in >>>a forced win, or a move he played that resulted in a forced loss while he had a >>>drawing or >>>winning move elsewhere... >> >>I remember that I read analysis that said that he missed a forced win >> >>Unfortunately I did not save the analysis so I am not sure what was the exact >>moves. >> >>If I remember correctly it was in KRRPP vs KRRPPP when the 2 pawns of kasparov >>could be stronger than the 3 pawns of deeper blue. >> >>I could only find in the following link that kasaprov missed at least one forced >>win in game 4 >>read the comments about game 4 in >>http://www.cs.vu.nl/~aske/db.html >> >>Uri > > >That seems pretty simplistic prose... IE no particular moves given, no >particular >positions mentioned. Just "seemed to be winning". That's too simple a way to >make such statements and have them taken seriously... I remember that I saw analysis with moves but unfortunately I did not save it Some search that I did today did not help and a lot of links that worked in the past do not work today. Uri
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