Author: Enrique Irazoqui
Date: 03:52:52 09/07/98
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On September 07, 1998 at 03:07:57, Ed Schröder wrote: >My 2 cents. When somebody robs a bank he is put in jail. When he after >some years is released there is no obligation for him to apology for the >damage he has done to enter society again. For that he was put in jail. > >When out of jail the person gets a new chance and it's up to him to do >better or to spoil it again. > >Why not copy this rule for CCC too? I mean it is a standard rule in every >civilized country and the whole world since its existence (till now) wasn't >able to come up with something better :) > >Measures could be: >- Warning (email only) >- Yellow card (email only), 2 yellow cards = Red card (1) >- Red card (1), banned from CCC for (?) months. >- Red card (2), banned from CCC for life. > >I have no idea if it is wise to make "red cards" public. It maybe depends on the >case and what has happened. All I want to say on this is that when people get >a warning or a yellow card they (right or wrong) feel humiliated and putting it >into public will make that 10 times worse. So I think email is the best way. > >If you have such a set of rules (not necessarily the above ones of course) then >we can stop having this kind of discussions. > >In this respect there is almost no risk to invite banned people back in CCC. I >mean they already have red card (1). As in real life everybody deserves a >second chance. It's then up to them to spoil it again or not. > >For what it is worth. A lot, I think. At least, I totally agree with you. This asking for an apology I find humiliating and unnecessary. If someone gets a red card, applying for membership again after X months is already an implicit declaration of good will. This should be enough. I believe too that a first red card should mean exclusion from CCC for a given period of time, say 3 months. After this, it should be up to the excluded person to apply again, with no further steps involved. This was also the original idea accepted in the founders group. I am talking in general, not specifically about this Sean Evans. Enrique >- Ed -
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