Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 12:16:39 10/23/02
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On October 23, 2002 at 14:54:09, martin fierz wrote:
>On October 23, 2002 at 11:26:38, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On October 23, 2002 at 05:08:11, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>
>>>On October 22, 2002 at 17:29:53, martin fierz wrote:
>>>
>>>let's be clear. the kramnik guy was happy to receive
>>>a million dollar in advance. Without much effort he played
>>>a few moves and it was 3-1. Then everyone started complaining
>>>that the match got no publicity and got no excitement.
>>>
>>>He then gives away a piece in a clear drawn position with
>>>a 1b trick (1 check in between). That's bullet blunder level.
>>>
>>>In fact i don't make such mistakes that much at bullet and
>>>last time i made such a mistake at slow level was a year or
>>>10 ago. Kramnik had plenty of time.
>>>
>>>0% chance he didn't deliberately blunder there.
>>
>>I think that is a totally stupid statement to make. I can point out GM blunders
>>in _every_ tournament I have watched online. I have seen them overlook a mate
>>in 2. A hanging queen. You-name-it. Human GMs _do_ make mistakes. Not as
>>often as non-GM players, but also far more often than "never".
>
>bob, of course human players make mistakes. but GM != GM. kramnik is way beyond
>your average GM. i challenge you to find a tournament game ("normal" time
>control, not rapid chess) by kramnik in the last 5 years where he made such a
>blunder without time trouble. i'd be surprised if you found one :-)
>(but i'd really like to know the answer to that one!)
I don't have a large database of games to look over, so I am really not sure.
My
observation was based on actual live games being relayed from major human
tournaments
on ICC, where Crafty was giving online analysis to make spotting the blunders
much easier.
I saw one game where white hung a piece, black didn't notice, and on the next
move white
"corrected" things and the game continued. Had black took it was an instant
loss for white.
In another game, white made a move that forced him to give up a queen the next
move or
get mated in 2 moves. Very simple blunder. Both were 2650+ players at the
time. I think
one might have been Leko but I am not sure... This is not nearly as uncommon as
it seems,
and many blunders go unnoticed by the opponent, making them "silent blunders"
that don't
get noticed by anybody...
>
>i'm not going to say he threw the game. but i am going to say that the DF team
>was *extremely* lucky to get this kind of present by kramnik - i'd say this kind
>of mistake happens to him once in 800 games rather than once in 8 on average...
>
>aloha
> martin
I would hope he didn't "throw the game" but of course _anything_ is possible
when there
is lots of money floating around a match. He might have lost accidentally,
pressed too hard
the next game and lost again, and then chickened out and went for a drawn match
to be sure
he didn't lose. Too many possibilities. Absolutely no proof of anything. So,
IMHO, it just
goes down as "yet another GM blunder, which _does_ happen from time to time."
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