Author: Marc van Hal
Date: 12:30:58 10/23/02
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On October 23, 2002 at 11:14:47, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On October 23, 2002 at 08:09:30, Otello Gnaramori wrote: > >>On October 22, 2002 at 17:32:52, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>> >>>I doubt Fritz saw more. It was just lucky that the sacrifice didn't work. >> >>I was convinced that in this game the "lucky factor" don't exist... >> >>w.b.r. >>Otello > > >I don't know what you mean, exactly. > >My point was this: > >If Nxf7 works, deep fritz had absolutely no idea that it did, because it >couldn't see the >consequences of the move. > >if Nxf7 doesn't work, the same statement is still true. > >So the issue becomes one of luck. Kramnik played the move. Fritz had no idea >whether >it was good or not. Luckily for Fritz, it turned out to be bad. > >A different position. Fritz (or any program) could have been playing against >Shirov a >few years ago where he made his famous bishop sacrifice in an endgame. The >programs >all think the sacrifice is unsound. They are all wrong. So in that case, since >they blundered >into a position where a sound sacrifice worked, but they had no idea about the >sac, they >were unlucky. In the Kramnik game, Fritz blundered into a position where the >sacrifice >was played and it was lucky that it was unsound. > >that was the idea... > >Luck is _always_ a part of the game... Steinitz and Dr Lasker strongly would disagree with you (Acording to them nothing was as bad as a bad sacrefice.) Though Tal and Shirov would agree a litle. You also have the bad knight sacrefice from Fischer against Donner. Then you have to be carefull because when Donner asked why he made this sacrefice. Fischer said because I despise you. Maybe this was what Kramnik ment and only didn't say it because he knew Fritz wouldn't understand it ouch. Still I think the horizon problem is a computer problem and not a human problem. Marc
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