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Subject: Re: What makes an AMD Dual MP better than an Intel Dual Xeon ?!

Author: Russell Reagan

Date: 06:08:24 10/24/02

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On October 24, 2002 at 05:11:19, Jorge Pichard wrote:

>If you compare the architecture advantages of a Dual AMD MP such as: The
>operation per clock cycle, the floating point pipelines and the L1 Cache size
>you can immediately see why AMD is the King.
>
>http://www.amd.com/gb-uk/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_865_4362,00.html

Of course AMD says their stuff is faster. Intel says theirs is. Apple says the
G4 is faster, and on, and on, and on...

AMD is faster at one thing, Intel at another, and the G4 is blazing with Adobe
Photoshop (no doubt because it was written for the Mac).

I recall recently putting dual Athlons against dual Intel products here at CCC,
and dual AMD machines weren't even close to the dual Intel machines. Intel was
around 1.9x faster on a dual for Crafty, and AMD only around 1.6x.

It all depends on what you're doing and how a program takes advantage of the
hardware.  Ex. Macs are usually slower at running just about everything, except
Photoshop and maybe a few others. It's no coincidence that on Apple's website
all they talk about is how Photoshop runs 90% faster on a Mac than a P4 2.5GHz
machine. It's also no coincidence that what you read about AMD being faster
comes from the AMD site. They certainly aren't going to tell you about the tests
anyone ran that showed the Athlon to be slower now are they?

I could play 1,000 games against Fritz and come up with 8 draws somewhere along
the way and then I could post my 8 draws and say that I'm as good as Kramnik.
Statistics can always be manipulated.

Look at all of those magical games of Eduard Nemeth that you see him post here.
He doesn't bother to post the 20 games he lost horribly for each incredible win
he scores.

Levels of truth...

4. (lowest level) What someone else tells you
3. What you read in a book (or magazine, or website in this case)
2. What you read in the product's documentation
1. (highest level) What it does when you run it.

So this website is on level 3, what Vincent tells you about what he reads in the
Intel and AMD manuals is level 2, and what Robert Hyatt does when he compares
WHAT THEY DO is level 1 truth. In level 1 truth tests, Intel has won by a
non-trivial margin. At least that has been my experience.

YMMV...

Russell



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