Author: Uri Blass
Date: 05:25:48 10/25/02
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On October 25, 2002 at 08:04:37, Andreas Guettinger wrote: >On October 25, 2002 at 07:49:17, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On October 25, 2002 at 07:43:52, Andreas Guettinger wrote: >> >>>On October 25, 2002 at 07:12:38, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On October 25, 2002 at 06:51:45, Sune Fischer wrote: >>>> >>>>>On October 25, 2002 at 06:29:07, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>>>No >>>>>>I did not think only about crafty. >>>>>>There were other cases when programmers released versions with no improvement or >>>>>>at least it is not clear if there was an improvement: >>>>>>Gandalf,Nimzo,Mchess,Genius >>>>>> >>>>>>Uri >>>>> >>>>>Based on eng-eng matches I guess. >>>>> >>>>>-S. >>>> >>>>I think that most people care only about them. >>>>I do not care about games against humans because it is clearly only a question >>>>of time until computers beat humans at all time controls. >>>> >>>>comp-comp is the interesting struggle and being better in comp-comp can also >>>>help to get better results against humans. >>>> >>>>Computer also can play for the same ideas that humans play so being better at >>>>beating them means in most cases also being better against humans. >>>> >>>>There are programs that can play for king attack and I do not think that you >>>>need humans to see the problems of your program against king attack if you have >>>>these problems. >>>> >>>>You can let your program play against sjeng. >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>>I disagree. Better performance in eng-eng matches is no guarantee that a >>>programm performs better in matches against humans. >>> >>>And it leads the whole computer chess development into the false direction, >>>with no new concepts. >> >>I see no reason why not. >>New concepts can be productive to beat chess programs. >> >>Uri > >Look at the Kramnik-Fritz match games 2 and 3. In tactical positions, with lots >of pieces and queens, chess engines are not bad today (and this is indeed an >achievement of eng-eng matches). But in the other positions, the engines have >not a clue, are chanceless, and this will not improve from eng-eng matches, >because all the engines have this flaw. I do not think that all of them. There are engines that do not play a3 in game 3. Other engines have different holes in their knowledge so I do not think that Fritz has less knowledge than them. Uri
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