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Subject: Re: first possible example of a Blunder by Kramnik

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 09:18:38 10/25/02

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On October 25, 2002 at 09:55:48, Rolf Tueschen wrote:

>On October 24, 2002 at 17:17:19, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>Here is a game where Kramnik played black, and he made the same sort of
>>sacrifice he made against Deep Fritz,
>
>Wrong!
>
>
>>but he made it against Anand, and he
>>got rapped for it.  Crafty says this just drops a piece.  I ran the position
>>after
>>Bxf2 to a pretty deep depth and the score didn't change as I even followed the
>>game for a move or two deeper.  If you let Crafty search for a black move
>>there, it likes either the rook move as suggested in the annotation, or Nd8
>>if you let it search longer than one second...  Score after Bxf2 is +3.5, score
>>after Nd8 is +.5.
>
>I think we could prove very quickly why it's way too early that we could rely on
>the research with our actual PC programs. Also you miss the complete problem of
>that game. It's not at all the same or similar to the Nxf7 against Deep Fritz.

It is similar for one main reason:  It simply drops a piece for nothing.

So in that regard, it was a sacrifice that was unsound, which could be called
a blunder by most any definition since it causes an equal position to turn into
a dead lost position.

>
>First the surprise. 15.h3 is already the refutation of the line! Tjat was the
>novelty. Kranik followed an older idea and lost his B on h5. That was the clue
>of h3. Kramnik still tried Bxf2 but Anand had analysed the line till the 27th
>move at home with his second. - That's all. Nothing to discover here, the whole
>line is not ok for Black.
>
>Why Kramnik played such not 100% analysed positions? Where did he do that? In
>Tilburg, aha, fine. Did he make such weak moves against Kasparov? Apparently
>not. Conclusion? Different situations with different importances.
>
>Rolf Tueschen
>
>
>
>>
>>That seems to qualify as either a blunder or unsound sac...  your choice.  Here
>>is the relevant PGN:
>>
>>[Event "1998.10.23"]
>>[Site "Tilburg"]
>>[Date "1998.11.10"]
>>[Round "2"]
>>[White "Anand, Viswanathan"]
>>[WhiteElo "2795"]
>>[Black "Kramnik"]
>>[BlackElo "2780"]
>>[Result "1-0"]
>>[Annotator "Crafty v19.1"]
>>{annotating for player Kramnik}
>>{using a scoring margin of +1.00 pawns.}
>>{search time limit is 1.00}
>>
>>  1.      e4      e5
>>  2.     Nf3     Nf6
>>  3.    Nxe5      d6
>>  4.     Nf3    Nxe4
>>  5.      d4      d5
>>  6.     Bd3     Nc6
>>  7.     O-O     Be7
>>  8.     Re1     Bg4
>>  9.      c3      f5
>> 10.     Qb3     O-O
>> 11.    Nbd2     Na5
>> 12.     Qa4     Nc6
>> 13.     Bb5    Nxd2
>> 14.    Nxd2     Qd6
>> 15.      h3     Bh5
>> 16.     Nb3     Bh4
>> 17.     Nc5   Bxf2+
>>                ({7:+3.33}  17. ... Bxf2+ 18. Kxf2 Nd8 19. Kg1 c6 20. Bd3 b6 21.
>>Nb3 $18)
>>                ({7:+0.15}  17. ... Rfe8 18. Bd2 a6 19. Rxe8+ Rxe8 20. Bxc6 bxc6
>>21. Qxa6 Re2 $10)
>> 18.    Kxf2     Qh2
>>                ({8:+4.91}  18. ... Qh2 19. Bxc6 bxc6 20. Qxc6 Qd6 21. Qxd6 cxd6
>>22. Ne6 Rfe8 $18)
>>                ({8:+3.61}  18. ... Nd8 19. Qc2 Bg6 20. Nd7 a6 21. Nxf8 axb5 22.
>>Nxg6 Qxg6 $18)
>> 19.    Bxc6    bxc6
>> 20.    Qxc6      f4
>> 21.   Qxd5+     Kh8
>> 22.    Qxh5      f3
>> 23.    Qxf3   Rxf3+
>> 24.    Kxf3    Rf8+
>> 25.     Ke2   Qxg2+
>> 26.     Kd3   Qxh3+
>> 27.     Kc2    Qg2+
>> 28.     Bd2    Qg6+
>> 29.     Re4      h5
>> 30.     Re1     Re8
>> 31.     Kc1    Rxe4
>> 32.    Nxe4      h4
>> 33.     Ng5     Qh5
>> 34.     Re3     Kg8
>> 35.      c4
>>       1-0



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