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Subject: Re: (an example of GM blunders)

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 10:45:27 10/25/02

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On October 24, 2002 at 06:19:55, Uri Blass wrote:

we agree here.

>On October 24, 2002 at 06:12:35, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On October 23, 2002 at 18:04:12, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On October 23, 2002 at 16:18:11, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On October 23, 2002 at 15:19:03, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On October 23, 2002 at 15:16:39, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>A couple of classics come to mind that are easy to find.
>>>>>
>>>>>1.  Kasparov blundered in game 2 of the DB match in 1997.  He resigned a drawn
>>>>>position.
>>>>>
>>>>>2.  Kasparov blundered in game 6 and blew an opening sequence of moves and lost.
>>>>>
>>>>>It is interesting that we see _more_ mistakes against computers.
>>>>>
>>>>>My theory is that the computers simply notice the mistakes that humans might
>>>>>well overlook...
>>>>
>>>>Today games of GM's are analyzed by chess programs so this excuse cannot explain
>>>>finding more blunders of GM's against computers.
>>>>
>>>>I also do not remember big blunders of GM smirin against computers and smirin
>>>>played at faster time control.
>>>>
>>>>Uri
>>>
>>>
>>>We were not just talking about GM vs computers.  But GMs vs _anything_.  The
>>>point was
>>>that against humans, many mistakes get overlooked.  Against computers, it is
>>>much less likely
>>>to be missed unless it is way too deep...
>>
>>Your point is wrong. Please show me kasparov-kramnik games
>>and how many 1b blunders they make there.
>>
>>Of course if they have a won position and win the position (even if
>>there is a mate in 11 or whatever) that doesn't count.
>>
>>It's about blowing won positions to a draw or a loss and a drawn position
>>to a loss.
>>
>>That's the key thing.
>
>The key is not only tactical mitsakes but tactical mistakes that programs can
>find even based on search of depth of 1 or 2.
>
>A tactical mistake that programs understand only after 7 or 8 plies can be also
>discovered in less then one second but it is not the same as the tactical
>mistake that kramnik did in his first loss.
>
>Uri



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