Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 10:45:27 10/25/02
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On October 24, 2002 at 06:19:55, Uri Blass wrote: we agree here. >On October 24, 2002 at 06:12:35, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On October 23, 2002 at 18:04:12, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On October 23, 2002 at 16:18:11, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On October 23, 2002 at 15:19:03, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On October 23, 2002 at 15:16:39, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>A couple of classics come to mind that are easy to find. >>>>> >>>>>1. Kasparov blundered in game 2 of the DB match in 1997. He resigned a drawn >>>>>position. >>>>> >>>>>2. Kasparov blundered in game 6 and blew an opening sequence of moves and lost. >>>>> >>>>>It is interesting that we see _more_ mistakes against computers. >>>>> >>>>>My theory is that the computers simply notice the mistakes that humans might >>>>>well overlook... >>>> >>>>Today games of GM's are analyzed by chess programs so this excuse cannot explain >>>>finding more blunders of GM's against computers. >>>> >>>>I also do not remember big blunders of GM smirin against computers and smirin >>>>played at faster time control. >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>> >>>We were not just talking about GM vs computers. But GMs vs _anything_. The >>>point was >>>that against humans, many mistakes get overlooked. Against computers, it is >>>much less likely >>>to be missed unless it is way too deep... >> >>Your point is wrong. Please show me kasparov-kramnik games >>and how many 1b blunders they make there. >> >>Of course if they have a won position and win the position (even if >>there is a mate in 11 or whatever) that doesn't count. >> >>It's about blowing won positions to a draw or a loss and a drawn position >>to a loss. >> >>That's the key thing. > >The key is not only tactical mitsakes but tactical mistakes that programs can >find even based on search of depth of 1 or 2. > >A tactical mistake that programs understand only after 7 or 8 plies can be also >discovered in less then one second but it is not the same as the tactical >mistake that kramnik did in his first loss. > >Uri
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