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Subject: Re: Just comparing lists...

Author: Bob Durrett

Date: 19:04:49 10/25/02

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On October 25, 2002 at 00:10:20, Aloisio Ponti Lopes wrote:

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>A. Ponti

The idea that it would be useful to include reference chess programs in the
tournament seems to have some merit, although this would have to be carefully
controlled to assure accuracy and usefulness.

To be more specific:

If a moderately large chess-playing-program tournament included a small number
of earlier version chess programs, with the SAME opening books, parameter
settings, and computer hardware as were used the first time SSDF tested those
engines, then the performance of those "reference" programs would be known
fairly well.  The performances of these "reference" programs could be used [to
some extent] to calibrate the rest of the tournament, as noted by someone else
in an earlier bulletin.

The presence of such "reference engines" might help the analysts to make more
sense out of the tournament results.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

While on this topic, I would like to make a small point about the value of
"small tournaments" and "small matches."

Chess games are essentially totally different from tosses of a coin, or of dice.
 After a game is completed, it is possible to exhaustively analyze each and
every move in each game.  If the times for the moves are recorded, then that
information can be used too.  [It would also be possible to monitor internal
engine parameters or variable values, and this maybe should be done in the
future.]  The amount of information available is ***CONSIDERABLY*** more than
that of the final tournament score.

Who would deliberately ignore all available information?

Simple statistics based solely on win/draw/loss should NOT be used as the
primary method for evaluation of tournaments or of the performances of the
competing chess programs.

The eight game Kramnik vs DF match produced FAR more information than would be
obtained by tossing a coin eight times, for example.  [Not even a six-sided die
would suffice.]  The statistical significance of those eight games cannot be
computed without taking into account ALL of the information which the match
produced.

SUMMARY:

The comparison of chess tournaments with coin tosses is simply
inappropriate!!!!!!!!!!

Bob D.



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