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Subject: Re: predicting things after your death is easy :)

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 20:34:33 10/26/02

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On October 25, 2002 at 17:44:21, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On October 25, 2002 at 17:32:19, Lieven Clarisse wrote:
>
>Yes i know, therefore the year 2300 looks to me like a good
>date. By then we all are dead anyway.

I recall people saying the _same_ thing about optical computing
20 years ago.

Times do change, however...



>
>I remember how i recently heard Jaap v/d Herik talking at
>the radio about computers and law: "computers will be
>able to apply the rules of law by the year 2100".
>
>Yes Jaap is right!
>
>But we can never verify his statements of course :)
>
>>On October 25, 2002 at 17:19:23, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>
>>>On October 25, 2002 at 16:36:50, Robin Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>It is nonsense to see postings as: "how fast will my DIEP run
>>>on a quantum computer".
>>>
>>>Let's say i first look forward to run on a 512 processor SGI
>>>machine from NWO at world champs in Graz, november 2003, if i
>>>can get the system time for the full machine that is...
>>>
>>>For the coming so many years no chessprogram will have equal power
>>>in a single cpu, even if that's a hardware cpu :)
>>>
>>>But for the speed of computers, if it is true that hardware gets
>>>each 2 years about 2 times faster. Then in 2066 we will be capable
>>>of getting 10^40 clocks system time. That's quite a lot.
>>>
>>>But that makes the prediction that a quantum computer seeing 10^100
>>>or similar amounts of things at a glance, has to wait for another
>>>250 years. So that'll be around the year 2300.
>>>
>>
>>You know why they call it a quantum computer? Because it doesnt work like
>>a classical computer. Essentialy processes can be handled in parallel on a
>>*single* processor. So pleeeaaase don't invoke More's law, or whatever they call
>>it in predicting anything about a qc.
>>http://www.i-sis.org.uk/QuantumComputing.php
>>
>>quantum computing is NOT just classical computing in miniature, it is a whole
>>different way of dealing with things...
>>
>>>Get my point?
>>>
>>>Best regards,
>>>Vincent
>>>
>>>>On October 25, 2002 at 14:42:14, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On October 25, 2002 at 14:14:00, Robin Smith wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On October 25, 2002 at 13:15:50, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> can you show me
>>>>>>>a picture of a quantum. That's the smallest detail you could show of course.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Vincent you are a funny guy.  This had me laughing out loud.  You were joking,
>>>>>>right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Robin
>>>>>
>>>>>No.
>>>>>
>>>>>Can you show me a picture of a quantum?
>>>>>
>>>>>I *can* show you a picture of a real processor. Plenty of them
>>>>>around the net. I can't show you the picture of a quantum.
>>>>>
>>>>>Can you?
>>>>>
>>>>>The things exist for like 1/1000000000000 of a second.
>>>>>
>>>>>How do we create a computer from it if we can't make a clear picture of
>>>>>a quantum?
>>>>
>>>>Sorry.  I thought you were joking.
>>>>
>>>>You are right that you can show me a picture of a real processor.  But show me a
>>>>picture of a "bit", or even of an "electron".  You can't.  So how can we make
>>>>digital computers?  As for a quantum computer, I agree they don't yet exists, so
>>>>I can't show you a picture, but things that exist only in theory have a nasty
>>>>habit of turning into reality at some point.  Don't forget that the initial
>>>>theory of modern digital computers was done many years before there were actual
>>>>computers you could take a picture of.
>>>>
>>>>And as far as "the things" existing for only 1/1000000000000 of a second (can I
>>>>assume "the things" you are talking about is quantum entanglement, the
>>>>theoretical basis for quantum computing?  If not, what are "the things"?), this
>>>>is totally untrue.  Have you read anything recently about quantum entanglement
>>>>or quantum computing?  Theory is advancing by leaps and bounds.  It remains to
>>>>be seen if engineers will figure out how to do anything useful with it, but I'm
>>>>guessing that eventually, yes they will.
>>>>
>>>>Robin



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