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Subject: Re: likelihood instead of pawnunits? + chess knowledge

Author: Ingo Lindam

Date: 06:02:25 10/28/02

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On October 27, 2002 at 20:21:34, Bob Durrett wrote:

>Similarly, in the middle of [in the gory guts of] a search algorithm, maybe >some of the positions occuring during the search could be evaluated the same
>way. In
>a purely serial machine [no parallel processing] I fear that the time required
>for this computation might not leave enough time for the rest of the search.  In
>other words, "not competitive."  If you are going serial, you have a big
>challenge to make your engine competitive with current engines which do not [?]
>use your idea.  Parallel processing is another matter, given the requisite

Perhaps ... or perhaps not... ofcourse I would appreciate to divide the work of
evaluation on a lot of parallel processors and the approach gives ofcourse some
natural oportunities to divide it. But unfortunately I don't have access on a
massive parallel system yet... so I have to watch how far I may come without it.
An advantage of the approach might be to cut off a lot of the big tree and then
have to compute much less nodes by using the knowledge.

>Am I still at least "out in left field" on this one?  [Still in the ballpark?]

Yes, you should still be in the ball park... because I am here in the infield
catching your balls you throw towards me.

>You envision producing a "black box" with inputs and outputs.  The inputs would
>consist of one or two million master level chess games.  The outputs would be a
>large set of patterns with associated properties &/or other useful data.
>Right?  [If yes, then how?]

Imagine... (hear the music)
Imagine, you spend a little more storage to represent the positions of the 2
million games that might be about 100 million positions in a data structure that
allows you to have an efficient access on the information in which positions a
pattern occurs. Now assume a and b to be pattern for wich you already know in
which positions they occure. Then it is a very easy and efficient to obtain
question in which positions the pattern c1 = a AND b and in which the pattern c2
= a OR b occur. This can be obtained very very fast. And when you now further
can use the fact that in chess you may a very unequal number of 0s and 1s in
this representation you might save again a lot of storage and time.


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