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Subject: Re: time note

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 08:51:30 10/29/02

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On October 29, 2002 at 06:04:26, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On October 28, 2002 at 13:00:03, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>So you want me to lose more time, apart from the extra time i
>already lose, because i'm on a supercomputer and can only do
>manually things?

What are you talking about?

I can run xboard on a unix supercomputer, have it connect to the local
FICS server, pipe the x-display to a local machine in the tournament hall to
the game.  I can run Xboard on the local machine in the tournament hall, have it
connect to the remote "supercomputer" and run the chess engine, and interface to
local FICS server.

I _really_ don't understand why you don't want to consider this.  I _know_ it
because "it can't be done" because not only _can_ it be done, it _has_ been

>Also i wonder how you get to work bugfree programs like fritz
>with winboard. They don't want to play on some FICS thing but
>on a chessbase server. The junior guys want to play on kasparovchess
>only and not on any other server (protocol).

Junior plays on ICC so they certainly have a winboard or whatever interface
working.  If we make this the "standard" then people  can either choose to
or not, as they wish.  I found winboard easy to implement.  It took me one night
the Christmas break in late 1994 and I was "up and going".

>And i have my own preference too and it ain't FICS either but
>manually as i can't connect automatically yet to the supercomputer.

Sure you can.  SGI uses unix.  There is _absolutely_ no problem in connecting
them to any chess server...

>I need to go through some firewalls and then a relogin to another
>partition. Winboard ain't doing that for me.

SSH / xboard will do it however...

>>On October 28, 2002 at 12:56:37, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>>>On October 28, 2002 at 12:43:27, GŁnther Simon wrote:
>>>>Why the *cough* about Arena Gian-Carlo? I also had some doubts about in the
>>>>beginning of its development and there were some buggy betas around but IMHO
>>>>it is pretty stable now and BTW you know that _almost all_ buggy games
>>>>under Arena which were posted here were buggy because of Human errors in
>>>>setting up the GUI or their machines (or they simply used outdated betas
>>>>of it when much better versions were already around).
>>>>I would like to test it much more but until now I am satisfied with
>>>>WB most of the time - give the new version another attempt and I am pretty
>>>>sure you'll overthink your above statement.
>>>You do not have to convince me. Convince the people who have lost
>>>games because of bugs in Arena.
>>>My choice for an interface is still the Shredder (Classic)
>>>interface which does everything I want it to and is extremely
>>>solid. It's easy enough to operate that even my girlfriend can
>>>do it without mistakes.
>>>ChessPartner 5.2 is also looking solid now, and I'd consider
>>>it an option as well.
>>>I would not use any ChessBase interface if only because of
>>>their buggy implementation of UCI. And as far as I know, you
>>>*still* cannot adjust the clocks in that interface.
>>>I would not use WinBoard because you cannot adjust the clocks,
>>>or see most engine output.
>>That is the _point_ in winboard's favor.  No clock adjustment is
>>needed.  Just run the event via a local FICS installed on a machine in
>>the tournament hall.
>>Seeing engine output is trivial.  "tail -f logfile" works for me just
>>>I would not use Arena because in every tournament I go to
>>>I see people get into problems because it has bugs.
>>>>BTW good luck with further improvements of (Deep) Sjeng :)
>>>Thank you!

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