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Subject: Re: OK then, so the top is either DF7, CT15 or CM9K Utzinger! Am I right?

Author: stuart taylor

Date: 08:32:18 10/31/02

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On October 30, 2002 at 21:51:30, Bob Durrett wrote:

>On October 30, 2002 at 21:21:41, stuart taylor wrote:
>
>>On October 30, 2002 at 16:05:54, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>
>>>On October 30, 2002 at 15:31:38, stuart taylor wrote:
>>>
>>>>The very highest scorer if the ssdf had tested all the above, seems to have to
>>>>be one of these three Deep Fritz 7, or Chess Tiger 15, or CM9K Utzinger
>>>>settings. Does that make sense? And if so, that in any case, these would take
>>>>the top 3 places?
>>>
>>>Nobody knows.
>>>
>>>You'll get plenty of guesses, though.
>>>
>>>Just for fun, let's consider just these entries from the current SSDF list:
>>>                                        Rating +   -  Games Won Av.opp
>>>1 Deep Fritz 7.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz    2763 34 -31   535 73%  2587
>>>2 Fritz 7.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz         2742 30 -29   574 64%  2637
>>>3 Shredder 6.0 Paderb 256MB Athlon 1200   2736 25 -24   831 66%  2623
>>>5 Chess Tiger 14.0 CB 256MB Athlon 1200   2717 30 -30   557 61%  2638
>>>
>>>A glance will show you that given the error bars, any of them could be the
>>>strongest.
>>
>>I can see that. The minus of the highest, and the plus of the lowest, change
>>them around.
>>
>>>
>>>Now, CT 15 or CM9K are unknown.  They might be stronger than all of the above.
>>>They might be weaker than all of the above.  They might be somewhere in the
>>>middle.
>>>
>>>By the time we could know an answer, the next iteration of all the products will
>>>be out.
>>>
>>>In any case, any of them are "strong enough" that it will make no difference
>>>which one of them we are playing against (as humans) for 99.9999% of us.
>>
>>It is good to have the feeling that you are getting the most educated advice
>>when trying to analyze a game, and if you are very hopeful that a sacrifice you
>>think is ingenious, should work, you would want the program most likely to see
>>the truth about it, as possible.
>>And when playing, you would rather be beaten by wisdom than by your human
>>frailties being exposed (which any good program can do). I mean, the greater the
>>program (nowdays) the more likelihood of its wisdom. And in that way, you are
>>slightly more likely to learn things from your lost games.
>>That's why I keep wanting the "best" in playing strength. Not because the others
>>are too easy.
>>S.Taylor
>
>Wouldn't it be nice if you had a real, human, top GM at your beck and call
>anytime day and night, but could turn him off when you were not in the mood?
>
>Wouldn't it be nice if you could decide what you would discuss together and not
>have to listen politely to some unsolicited and unwanted lecture?
>
>If the "human" turned out to be non-human, you might be upset for awhile but if
>you really couldn't tell the difference anyway, then maybe you could learn to
>live with it.
>
>: )
>
>Bob D.

Very much so!
S.Taylor



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