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Subject: Re: KRRKRN - really that drawish? A Crafty game

Author: GuyHaworth

Date: 13:39:03 10/31/02

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[D]5R2/8/8/5n1R/4k1rP/8/5K2/8 b - - 0 1

http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/ken/chesseg.html has this as a draw.


[D]8/8/2R5/1R6/4rn2/8/8/k4K2 b - - 0 1

This is a win, as Rob Hyatt said, in (DTC) 9 moves.  The DTC-minimaxing line I
chose differs from RH's but the bR is similarly captured on m10:

... my ' = Rob's ! I guess ... "optimal move", but mine is DTC-optimal
... DTC-equi-optimals are in square brackets

1...Ra4' 2.Ke1' Ra7 [Ra8] 3.Kd2 [Rd6] Ka2' 4.Kc2 [Rc4, Re5] Ka1'
5.Rb2 [Rb4, Rc4] Nd5 [5 options] 6.Kc1' Nf4' 7.Rb1+ [Rc3] Ka2 {only legal}
8. Rc2' ka3 {only legal} 9.Ra1' Kb~ 10.Rxa7 1-0


The raw statistics for KRNKNN are available if misleading, as John Nunn points
out in the latest edition of 'Secrets of Pawnless Endings'.  More telling is the
way the %-wins change as the wins in 1, 2, 3 etc are discounted from the
population:  there is usually a peak of 'wins in 1'

However, 'raw', the stats are:

wtm/btm draws:  29.92% / 78.27%
wtm/btm 1-0s:   70.08% / 21.72%
wtm/btm 0-1s:   epsilon% / 0.01% ... 0.005 > epsilon > 0

maxDTC depth = 243; maxDTM depth = 263

average DTM depths:
wtm/btm 1-0s:   25.50m / 39.35m
wtm/btm 0-1s:   0.09m /	1.50m

maxDTM/averageDTM:
wtm/btm 1-0s:   10.28 / 6.63
wtm/btm 0-1s:   68.07 /	4.66

'presence' [a home-grown measure to avoid extremes of maxDTX and '%-wins']:
... = average (depth * #-won-at-that-depth)/(total number of positions)
wtm/btm 1-0s:  1786.83 / 854.73
wtm/btm 0-1s:  epsilon / 0.02


A review of Ken Thompson's KRNKNN DTM EGT results, produced independently and at
the same time as Eugene Nalimov's, appears in:

Haworth, G.McC. (2000) Deepest Chess Win Revisited. ICGA_J v23.2 pp.94-96.

and was prompted by some observations by John Roycroft. This includes some
distributions of (1-0) wins by depth in two log-scale (essential) graphs.


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