Author: Sune Fischer
Date: 03:00:47 11/05/02
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On November 05, 2002 at 05:12:25, Uri Blass wrote: >On November 05, 2002 at 04:28:59, Sune Fischer wrote: > >>On November 05, 2002 at 00:39:31, Will Singleton wrote: >> >>>White to play, bm is d7. How long until your engine shows a positive score? >>>(amd 1.6ghz). >>> >>>Amateur ply 15 score 33 secs 212 >>>Yace ply 15 score 9 secs 103 >>>Crafty ply 16 score 40 secs 69 >>>Ruffian ply 12 score 51 secs 5 (just amazing) >>> >>>[D]5kb1/6pp/p2P1p2/1p6/2r5/P1r2N1P/6P1/2R2RK1 w - - 0 36 >>> >>>(remember, d7 must show a positive score) >>> >>>-------------------- >>> >> >>Yeah man, Frenzee: d7 in 0.00 secs with a positive score :) >> >>2 -614 0 66 1.g3 Rxc1 2.Rxc1 Rxc1+ >>2 -416 0 152 1.d7 Rxc1 2.Rxc1 Rxc1+ > >no the score is negative. Yeah, at ply 2, but it reaches ply three and four in 0.00 secs also with positive score :) Ply 2 is the first iteration, so it will have a lot of fail highs at ply 2 typically, almost random move ordering of course. >It seems that Frenzee does not do pawn promotion in the qsearch. Right, not if they aren't captures, but I'm change this as we speak actually :) >My qsearch detects 1.d7 Rxc1 2.d8Q so I have not this stupid line. > >Movei's buggy version can show positive score for d7 after search only at depth >13. Well I get it at ply 3, _three_! :) >depth=13 +0.37 d6d7 f8e7 c1d1 e7d8 f1e1 g8f7 f3d4 c3c1 d1c1 c4d4 c1c6 f7c4 g1f2 >d4d2 f2g3 d8d7 c6a6 >Nodes: 19739458 NPS: 160353 >Time: 00:02:03.10 > >depth=14 +0.27 d6d7 f8e7 c1d1 e7d8 f1e1 g8f7 f3d4 c3c1 d1c1 c4d4 c1c6 d8d7 c6a6 >d4a4 e1d1 d7e7 a6b6 a4a3 d1e1 e7d7 b6b5 >Nodes: 34345849 NPS: 161993 >Time: 00:03:32.02 > > >>2 -386 0 256 1.Nd2 Rxc1 2.Nxc4 Rxf1+ 3.Kxf1 Bxc4+ >>2 -60 0 365 1.Ra1 Re4 2.axb4 >>2 -49 0 430 1.Rxc3 Rxc3 >>3 25 0 600 1.Rxc3 Rxc3 2.d7 Rxa3 >>3 144 0 1342 1.d7 Rd3 2.Rxc4 bxc4 >>4 145 0 2889 1.d7 Ke7 2.Rxc3 Rxc3 > >White is a pawn down after d7 Ke7 Rxc3 Rxc3. > >I think that it is a mistake to give more than a pawn bonus for a pawn in the >7th. May be, maybe not, depends on the position :) Guess it is a little lucky here, but according to my observations pawns promoting is quite often the deciding factor in practical games, so no I don't consider a pawn too much, in particular when backed up by rooks like here. -S. >Uri
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