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Subject: Re: Too hard for my engine, how about yours?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 14:22:17 11/05/02

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On November 04, 2002 at 07:34:29, Sune Fischer wrote:

>Going through the november issue of "Skakbladet", the chess magasin here in
>Denmark, I found a few positions with some very deep moves, much too deep for
>frenzee.
>
>Granted some of the positions are won even with the second best move, but for
>the sake of beauty find the best move! :)
>
>[D]r1r3k1/1pq1bppp/3pbn2/p3p3/P3P1PP/nNN2P2/KPP2Q2/2BR1B1R b - - 0 1 bm b5;
>Motylev-Gelfand, Russia-World 2002

Thought I would try them while getting ready for class this afternoon...

                8     1.52   0.07   1. ... Nc4 2. h5 h6 3. Nb5 Qc6 4. g5
                                    hxg5 5. Bxg5 (s=2)
                8     2.60  -0.10   1. ... b5 2. g5 Nxc2 3. gxf6 bxa4 4.
                                    Kb1 Bxf6 5. Nxa5
                8->   2.78  -0.10   1. ... b5 2. g5 Nxc2 3. gxf6 bxa4 4.
                                    Kb1 Bxf6 5. Nxa5 (s=2)
                9     5.36   0.05   1. ... b5 2. g5 bxa4 3. gxf6 axb3+
                                    4. Kxa3 bxc2 5. Rd2 Bxf6 6. Rxc2
                9->   6.43   0.05   1. ... b5 2. g5 bxa4 3. gxf6 axb3+
                                    4. Kxa3 bxc2 5. Rd2 Bxf6 6. Rxc2
               10    10.81     ++   1. ... b5!!
               10    18.27  -0.65   1. ... b5 2. g5 Nh5 3. Bh3 bxa4 4.
                                    Bxe6 fxe6 5. Kxa3 d5+ 6. Ka2 axb3+
                                    7. Kxb3
               10->  18.94  -0.65   1. ... b5 2. g5 Nh5 3. Bh3 bxa4 4.
                                    Bxe6 fxe6 5. Kxa3 d5+ 6. Ka2 axb3+
                                    7. Kxb3
               11    26.55  -0.68   1. ... b5 2. g5 Nh5 3. Bxb5 Nxb5 4.
                                    Nxb5 Qxc2 5. Qxc2 Rxc2 6. Na3 Rf2 7.
                                    Rd3
               11->  28.06  -0.68   1. ... b5 2. g5 Nh5 3. Bxb5 Nxb5 4.
                                    Nxb5 Qxc2 5. Qxc2 Rxc2 6. Na3 Rf2 7.
                                    Rd3
               12    52.81  -0.65   1. ... b5 2. g5 Nd7 3. Nxb5 Qxc2 4.
                                    Qxc2 Nxc2 5. Bh3 Nb4+ 6. Ka3 Ra6 7.
                                    Bxe6 Nc2+ 8. Ka2 fxe6
               12->  57.16  -0.65   1. ... b5 2. g5 Nd7 3. Nxb5 Qxc2 4.
                                    Qxc2 Nxc2 5. Bh3 Nb4+ 6. Ka3 Ra6 7.
                                    Bxe6 Nc2+ 8. Ka2 fxe6

Crafty seems to like the first position's "solution" very quickly and it sticks
with it...


>[D]3r4/ppp4p/1bp1k3/4pp2/8/BPP5/P2NKprP/R4R2 b - - 0 1 bm Rxd2; Gufeld-Kavalek,
>OL 1962 (Kavalek's best game ever)

This one is a bit different.  e4 seems like a crush also...
               10     1.38  -3.20   1. ... e4 2. Nc4 f4 3. Nxb6 f3+ 4.
                                    Ke3 Kf5 5. Rad1 Rxd1 6. Rxd1 axb6 7.
                                    h3 c5
               10->   1.44  -3.20   1. ... e4 2. Nc4 f4 3. Nxb6 f3+ 4.
                                    Ke3 Kf5 5. Rad1 Rxd1 6. Rxd1 axb6 7.
                                    h3 c5
               11     3.76  -3.30   1. ... e4 2. c4 Bd4 3. Rad1 Rxh2 4.
                                    b4 Ke5 5. Nb3 f4 6. Nxd4 Rxd4
               11->   3.88  -3.30   1. ... e4 2. c4 Bd4 3. Rad1 Rxh2 4.
                                    b4 Ke5 5. Nb3 f4 6. Nxd4 Rxd4
               12     7.12  -3.32   1. ... e4 2. c4 Bd4 3. Rab1 Rxh2 4.
                                    Bb2 c5 5. a4 h5 6. Bxd4 cxd4 7. Rxf2
                                    Rxf2+ 8. Kxf2
               12->   7.41  -3.32   1. ... e4 2. c4 Bd4 3. Rab1 Rxh2 4.
                                    Bb2 c5 5. a4 h5 6. Bxd4 cxd4 7. Rxf2
                                    Rxf2+ 8. Kxf2
               13    15.41  -3.35   1. ... e4 2. c4 Bd4 3. Rab1 Rxh2 4.
                                    b4 Rg2 5. Bb2 c5 6. Nb3 <HT>
               13->  16.01  -3.35   1. ... e4 2. c4 Bd4 3. Rab1 Rxh2 4.
                                    b4 Rg2 5. Bb2 c5 6. Nb3 <HT>
               14    31.87  -3.08   1. ... e4 2. c4 Bd4 3. Rad1 Rxh2 4.
                                    b4 c5 5. bxc5 Rh3 6. Bc1 Rd3 7. Nb3
                                    Rxd1 8. Kxd1
               14->  48.91  -3.08   1. ... e4 2. c4 Bd4 3. Rad1 Rxh2 4.
                                    b4 c5 5. bxc5 Rh3 6. Bc1 Rd3 7. Nb3
                                    Rxd1 8. Kxd1 (s=2)
               15     1:22  -3.07   1. ... e4 2. c4 Bd4 3. Rad1 Rxh2 4.
                                    b4 Rh3 5. Bc1 Rc3 6. Nb3 Rxc4 7. Nxd4+
                                    Rcxd4 8. Rxd4 Rxd4 9. Be3 Rxb4 10.
                                    Rxf2
               15->   2:37  -3.07   1. ... e4 2. c4 Bd4 3. Rad1 Rxh2 4.
                                    b4 Rh3 5. Bc1 Rc3 6. Nb3 Rxc4 7. Nxd4+
                                    Rcxd4 8. Rxd4 Rxd4 9. Be3 Rxb4 10.
                                    Rxf2 (s=5)


>[D]2bq3k/2p4p/p1np4/7P/2BPPQp1/2p2P2/r7/2KR2R1 b - - 0 1 bm Ra3; Bagirov-Gufeld
>1973, (Gufeld: maybe my best move ever)

This one also seems pretty easy... unlike the previous one.

                7->   0.36  -2.06   1. ... Ra4 2. Bb3 Nxd4 3. Rxd4 Rxd4
                                    4. Kc2 gxf3 5. Qxf3
                8     0.50  -2.06   1. ... Ra4 2. Bb3 Nxd4 3. Rxd4 Rxd4
                                    4. Kc2 gxf3 5. Qxf3
                8->   0.60  -2.06   1. ... Ra4 2. Bb3 Nxd4 3. Rxd4 Rxd4
                                    4. Kc2 gxf3 5. Qxf3 (s=2)
                9     0.97  -2.02   1. ... Ra4 2. Bb3 Nxd4 3. Rxd4 Rxd4
                                    4. Kc2 Qe7 5. Kxc3 c5
                9->   1.27  -2.02   1. ... Ra4 2. Bb3 Nxd4 3. Rxd4 Rxd4
                                    4. Kc2 Qe7 5. Kxc3 c5 (s=2)
               10     1.94  -1.84   1. ... Ra4 2. Bb3 Nxd4 3. Rxd4 Rxd4
                                    4. Kc2 Rd2+ 5. Kxc3 Rf2 6. Rg3 Qe7
               10     6.40     ++   1. ... Ra3!!
               10     8.06  -2.49   1. ... Ra3 2. Rg2 Nb4 3. Kb1 c2+ 4.
                                    Rxc2 Nxc2 5. Kxc2 Rxf3 6. Qh2 Rh3 7.
                                    Qf4 Rxh5
               10->   8.06  -2.49   1. ... Ra3 2. Rg2 Nb4 3. Kb1 c2+ 4.
                                    Rxc2 Nxc2 5. Kxc2 Rxf3 6. Qh2 Rh3 7.
                                    Qf4 Rxh5 (s=3)
               11    13.94  -2.69   1. ... Ra3 2. fxg4 Nb4 3. Kb1 c2+ 4.
                                    Kb2 cxd1=Q 5. Rxd1 Rh3 6. e5 Qe7 7.
                                    Rc1 Rh4 8. Rg1 (s=2)
               11->  16.60  -2.69   1. ... Ra3 2. fxg4 Nb4 3. Kb1 c2+ 4.
                                    Kb2 cxd1=Q 5. Rxd1 Rh3 6. e5 Qe7 7.
                                    Rc1 Rh4 8. Rg1
               12    28.94  -2.79   1. ... Ra3 2. fxg4 Nb4 3. Kb1 c2+ 4.
                                    Kb2 cxd1=Q 5. Rxd1 Rh3 6. e5 Qe7 7.
                                    h6 Be6 8. exd6 cxd6
               12->  34.28  -2.79   1. ... Ra3 2. fxg4 Nb4 3. Kb1 c2+ 4.
                                    Kb2 cxd1=Q 5. Rxd1 Rh3 6. e5 Qe7 7.
                                    h6 Be6 8. exd6 cxd6


>[D]2bq3k/2p4p/p2p4/7P/1nBPPQP1/r1p5/8/1K1R2R1 b - - 0 1 bm Be6, am c2;
>Bagirov-Gufeld 1973

Takes Crafty 7 seconds to see that c2 is not so hot.  It changes to Be6 and
seems to stick
with that...


               10->   4.22  -2.51   1. ... c2+ 2. Kb2 cxd1=Q 3. Rxd1 Ra5
                                    4. Rf1 Be6 5. d5 Bd7 6. Qh6 Kg8 7.
                                    Qf4
               11     7.77     --   1. ... c2+
               11    15.73  -0.55   1. ... c2+ 2. Kb2 cxd1=Q 3. Rxd1 Ra5
                                    4. Rf1 Be6 5. Qh6 Nd3+ 6. Bxd3 Qb8+
                                    7. Kc1 Ra1+ 8. Kd2 Qb2+ 9. Ke3 Bxg4
                                    10. Rxa1 Qxa1
               11    40.01  -1.22   1. ... Be6 2. Bxe6 c2+ 3. Kb2 cxd1=Q
                                    4. Rxd1 Nd3+ 5. Rxd3 Rxd3 6. e5 Kg7
                                    7. Kc2 Ra3 8. h6+ Kg6
               11->  43.68  -1.22   1. ... Be6 2. Bxe6 c2+ 3. Kb2 cxd1=Q
                                    4. Rxd1 Nd3+ 5. Rxd3 Rxd3 6. e5 Kg7
                                    7. Kc2 Ra3 8. h6+ Kg6 (s=5)
               12    50.26  -1.10   1. ... Be6 2. Bxe6 c2+ 3. Kb2 cxd1=Q
                                    4. Rxd1 Nd3+ 5. Rxd3 Rxd3 6. e5 Qe7
                                    7. Kc2 Ra3 8. Qf6+ Qg7 9. Kd2 (s=4)
               12->   1:39  -1.10   1. ... Be6 2. Bxe6 c2+ 3. Kb2 cxd1=Q
                                    4. Rxd1 Nd3+ 5. Rxd3 Rxd3 6. e5 Qe7
                                    7. Kc2 Ra3 8. Qf6+ Qg7 9. Kd2 (s=6)
               13     2:08  -0.82   1. ... Be6 2. Bxe6 c2+ 3. Kc1 cxd1=Q+
                                    4. Rxd1 Nd3+ 5. Rxd3 Rxd3 6. e5 a5
                                    7. Kc2 Ra3 8. Qf6+ Qxf6 9. exf6 Rf3
                                    <HT> (s=5)



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