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Subject: Re: would someone test this position with Tiger15 and latest crafty vers

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 07:09:13 11/08/02

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On November 08, 2002 at 09:07:39, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:

>On November 08, 2002 at 06:16:39, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>It means that programs with the right extensions
>>can see the tactical win for Bxg6 in a short time.
>
>Using material only evaluation, Deep Sjeng does not see
>a win within the first 16 ply and wants Qxc6.
>
>--
>GCP

Yace only material can learn Bxg6 by going backward

Yace only material's score(under Fritz)
(Yace is using 0.8 for pawn and 3.4 for knight so +0.60 means 5 pawns for a
knight)

Here is the full long analysis:


After 1.Bxg6 hxg6 2.Qxg6+ Ng7 3.Rh7

blass,u - yace_mo
r4rk1/3nq1nR/1bp1p1Q1/p2p2P1/3P1P2/PP2P3/1B1N4/R3K3 b Q - 0 1

Analysis by yace_mo:

3...Bxd4 4.Bxd4
  ±  (0.90)   Depth: 1   00:00:04
3...Ra7
  -+  (-1.80)   Depth: 1   00:00:04
3...Ra7 4.0-0-0
  -+  (-1.80)   Depth: 2   00:00:04
3...Ra7 4.0-0-0 Rd8
  -+  (-1.80)   Depth: 3   00:00:04
3...Ra7 4.0-0-0 Rd8 5.e4
  -+  (-1.80)   Depth: 4   00:00:04
3...Ra7 4.0-0-0 Rd8 5.e4 dxe4
  -+  (-1.80)   Depth: 5   00:00:04  14kN
3...Ra7 4.0-0-0 Rd8 5.Rxg7+ Qxg7 6.Qxe6+ Qf7 7.Qxc6 Qf5
  -+  (-1.80)   Depth: 6   00:00:04  49kN
3...Ra7 4.0-0-0 Rd8 5.Rh6 Nf8 6.Qf6 Qxf6 7.gxf6
  -+  (-1.80)   Depth: 7   00:00:04  248kN
3...Ra7 4.0-0-0 Rd8 5.Rdh1 Bxd4 6.exd4 Qf6 7.gxf6 Nxf6
  µ  (-1.40)   Depth: 8   00:00:05  524kN
3...Ra7 4.0-0-0 Nf6 5.gxf6 Rxf6 6.Qd3 Rf8 7.Rg1 Qd8
  ±  (0.80)   Depth: 8   00:00:06  801kN
3...Ra7 4.Qh6 Nf6 5.Rh8+ Kf7 6.Rxf8+ Qxf8 7.gxf6 Bxd4 8.exd4 Qh8 9.Qxh8 Kxf6
  ±  (1.20)   Depth: 9   00:00:17  6898kN
3...Ra7 4.Qh6 Ne5 5.Rh8+ Kf7 6.Rxf8+ Qxf8 7.fxe5 Ke8 8.Qg6+ Qf7 9.Qxf7+ Rxf7
10.g6 Re7 11.Nf3
  +-  (1.60)   Depth: 9   00:00:18  7448kN
3...Ra6 4.0-0-0 Nf6 5.gxf6 Rxf6 6.Qxf6 Qxf6 7.Rdh1
  +-  (1.59)   Depth: 9   00:00:21  9089kN
3...Ra6 4.Qh6 Bd8 5.g6 Qh4+ 6.Qxh4 Bxh4+ 7.Rxh4 Rf6 8.Rh3 Rxg6
  ±  (0.90)   Depth: 9   00:00:23  10187kN
3...Nf6 4.gxf6 Rxf6 5.Qxf6 Qxf6 6.0-0-0
  ±  (0.89)   Depth: 9   00:00:27  12376kN
3...Nf6 4.gxf6 Rxf6 5.Qd3 Kf7 6.0-0-0 Ke8 7.Rh8+ Rf8 8.Rxf8+ Qxf8 9.Rh1 Bd8
  ±  (0.80)   Depth: 9   00:00:28  12923kN
3...Nf6 4.gxf6 Rxf6 5.Qd3 Kf7 6.0-0-0 Ke8 7.Rh8+ Rf8 8.Rxf8+ Qxf8 9.Rh1 Bd8
10.Kb1
  ±  (0.80)   Depth: 10   00:00:35  16455kN
3...Nf6 4.gxf6 Rxf6 5.Qd3 Kf7 6.0-0-0 Rg6 7.Nf3 Qe8 8.Rg1 Rxg1+ 9.Nxg1 Qd7
  ±  (0.80)   Depth: 11   00:01:02  30896kN
3...Nf6 4.gxf6 Rxf6 5.Qd3 Kf7 6.0-0-0 Kg8 7.Rdh1 Rff8 8.Rh8+ Kf7 9.Rxf8+ Rxf8
10.Kb1
  ±  (0.80)   Depth: 12   00:02:10  68775kN
3...Nf6 4.gxf6 Rxf6 5.Qd3 Qf8 6.0-0-0 Rb8 7.Rdh1 Qd6 8.Rh8+ Kf7 9.Rxb8 Qxb8
  ±  (0.80)   Depth: 13   00:04:49  154541kN

(blass, tel-aviv 08.11.2002)

Taking back

blass,u - yace_mo
r4rk1/3nq1n1/1bp1p1Q1/p2p2P1/3P1P2/PP2P3/1B1N4/R3K2R w KQ - 0 1

Analysis by yace_mo:

3.Qxg7+ Qxg7
  -+  (-8.41)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
3.0-0
  -+  (-1.80)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
3.Rh7 Nf6 4.gxf6 Rxf6 5.Qd3 Qf8 6.0-0-0 Rb8 7.Rdh1 Qd6 8.Rh8+ Kf7 9.Rxb8 Qxb8
  ±  (0.80)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
3.Rh7 Nf6 4.gxf6 Rxf6 5.Qd3 Qf8 6.0-0-0 Rb8 7.Rdh1 Qd6 8.Rh8+ Kf7 9.Rxb8 Qxb8
  ±  (0.80)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
3.Rh7 Nf6 4.gxf6 Rxf6 5.Qd3 Qf8 6.0-0-0 Rb8 7.Rdh1 Qd6 8.Rh8+ Kf7 9.Rxb8 Qxb8
  ±  (0.80)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
3.Rh7 Nf6 4.gxf6 Rxf6 5.Qd3 Qf8 6.0-0-0 Rb8 7.Rdh1 Qd6 8.Rh8+ Kf7 9.Rxb8 Qxb8
  ±  (0.80)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
3.Rh7 Nf6 4.gxf6 Rxf6 5.Qd3 Qf8 6.0-0-0 Rb8 7.Rdh1 Qd6 8.Rh8+ Kf7 9.Rxb8 Qxb8
  ±  (0.80)   Depth: 5   00:00:00  4kN
3.Rh7 Nf6 4.gxf6 Rxf6 5.Qd3 Qf8 6.0-0-0 Rb8 7.Rdh1 Qd6 8.Rh8+ Kf7 9.Rxb8 Qxb8
  ±  (0.80)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  13kN
3.Rh7 Nf6 4.gxf6 Rxf6 5.Qd3 Qf8 6.0-0-0 Rb8 7.Rdh1 Qd6 8.Rh8+ Kf7 9.Rxb8 Qxb8
  ±  (0.80)   Depth: 7   00:00:00  59kN
3.Rh7 Nf6 4.gxf6 Rxf6 5.Qd3 Qf8 6.0-0-0 Rb8 7.Rdh1 Qd6 8.Rh8+ Kf7 9.Rxb8 Qxb8
  ±  (0.80)   Depth: 8   00:00:00  197kN
3.Rh7 Nf6 4.gxf6 Rxf6 5.Qd3 Qf8 6.0-0-0 Rb8 7.Rdh1 Qd6 8.Rh8+ Kf7 9.Rxb8 Qxb8
  ±  (0.80)   Depth: 9   00:00:00  509kN
3.Rh7 Nf6 4.gxf6 Rxf6 5.Qd3 Qf8 6.0-0-0 Rb8 7.Rdh1 Qd6 8.Rh8+ Kf7 9.Rxb8 Qxb8
  ±  (0.80)   Depth: 10   00:00:03  1891kN
3.Rh7 Nf6 4.gxf6 Rxf6 5.Qd3 Qf8 6.0-0-0 Rb8 7.Rdh1 Qd6 8.Rh8+ Kf7 9.Rxb8 Qxb8
  ±  (0.80)   Depth: 11   00:00:10  5318kN
3.Rh7 Nf6 4.gxf6 Rxf6 5.Qd3 Qf8 6.0-0-0 Rb8 7.Rdh1 Qd6 8.Rh8+ Kf7 9.Rxb8 Qxb8
  ±  (0.80)   Depth: 12   00:01:18  42843kN

(blass, tel-aviv 08.11.2002)

Taking back

blass,u - yace_mo
r3nrk1/3nq3/1bp1p1Q1/p2p2P1/3P1P2/PP2P3/1B1N4/R3K2R b KQ - 0 1

Analysis by yace_mo:

2...Ng7 3.Rh7 Nf6 4.gxf6 Rxf6 5.Qd3 Qf8 6.0-0-0 Rb8 7.Rdh1 Qd6 8.Rh8+ Kf7 9.Rxb8
Qxb8
  ±  (0.80)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
2...Qg7 3.Qxe6+ Qf7 4.Qxc6
  =  (-0.20)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
2...Qg7 3.Qxe6+ Qf7 4.Qxc6
  =  (-0.20)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
2...Qg7 3.Qxe6+ Qf7 4.Qxc6
  =  (-0.20)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
2...Qg7 3.Qxe6+ Qf7 4.Qxc6 Rb8
  =  (-0.20)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
2...Qg7 3.Qxe6+ Qf7 4.Qxc6 Rb8 5.g6
  =  (-0.20)   Depth: 5   00:00:00  5kN
2...Qg7 3.Qxe6+ Qf7 4.Qxc6 Rb8 5.g6 Qf5
  =  (-0.20)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  17kN
2...Qg7 3.Qxe6+ Qf7 4.Qxc6 Rb8 5.g6 Qf5 6.Kf1
  =  (-0.20)   Depth: 7   00:00:00  69kN
2...Qg7 3.Qxe6+ Qf7 4.Qh6 Qg7 5.Qe6+
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 8   00:00:00  268kN
2...Qg7 3.Qxe6+ Qf7 4.Qh6 Qg7 5.Qe6+
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 9   00:00:00  511kN
2...Qg7 3.Qxe6+ Qf7 4.Qh6 Qg7 5.Qxc6 Nc7 6.Rh6 Qe7 7.Rg6+ Kh8 8.Rd6 Qxe3+ 9.Kd1
Bxd4 10.Rh6+ Kg7 11.Bxd4+ Kf7
  ²  (0.40)   Depth: 13   00:00:24  12809kN
2...Qg7 3.Qxe6+ Qf7 4.Qh6 Qg7 5.Qxc6 Rd8 6.Qxd5+ Qf7 7.Qxf7+ Rxf7 8.Kd1 Rg7
9.Rh6 Rf7 10.g6 Rg7 11.Kc2 Nc7
  ²  (0.60)   Depth: 13   00:00:50  27087kN

(blass, tel-aviv 08.11.2002)

taking back

blass,u - yace_mo
r3nrk1/3nq3/1bp1p1p1/p2p2P1/3P1P2/PP2P3/1BQN4/R3K2R w KQ - 0 1

Analysis by yace_mo:

2.Qxg6+ Qg7 3.Qxe6+ Qf7 4.Qh6 Qg7 5.Qxc6 Rd8 6.Qxd5+ Rf7 7.Nc4 Bc7 8.Nxa5 Ndf6
9.Qc6 Bxa5+ 10.b4
  ²  (0.60)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
2.Qxg6+ Qg7 3.Qxe6+ Qf7 4.Qh6 Qg7 5.Qxc6 Rd8 6.Qxd5+ Rf7 7.Nc4 Bc7 8.Nxa5 Ndf6
9.Qc6 Bxa5+ 10.b4
  ²  (0.60)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
2.Qxg6+ Qg7 3.Qxe6+ Qf7 4.Qh6 Qg7 5.Qxc6 Rd8 6.Qxd5+ Rf7 7.Nc4 Bc7 8.Nxa5 Ndf6
9.Qc6 Bxa5+ 10.b4
  ²  (0.60)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
2.Qxg6+ Qg7 3.Qxe6+ Qf7 4.Qh6 Qg7 5.Qxc6 Rd8 6.Qxd5+ Rf7 7.Nc4 Bc7 8.Nxa5 Ndf6
9.Qc6 Bxa5+ 10.b4
  ²  (0.60)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
2.Qxg6+ Qg7 3.Qxe6+ Qf7 4.Qh6 Qg7 5.Qxc6 Rd8 6.Qxd5+ Rf7 7.Nc4 Bc7 8.Nxa5 Ndf6
9.Qc6 Bxa5+ 10.b4
  ²  (0.60)   Depth: 5   00:00:00  1kN
2.Qxg6+ Qg7 3.Qxe6+ Qf7 4.Qh6 Qg7 5.Qxc6 Rd8 6.Qxd5+ Rf7 7.Nc4 Bc7 8.Nxa5 Ndf6
9.Qc6 Bxa5+ 10.b4
  ²  (0.60)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  4kN
2.Qxg6+ Qg7 3.Qxe6+ Qf7 4.Qh6 Qg7 5.Qxc6 Rd8 6.Qxd5+ Rf7 7.Nc4 Bc7 8.Nxa5 Ndf6
9.Qc6 Bxa5+ 10.b4
  ²  (0.60)   Depth: 7   00:00:00  10kN
2.Qxg6+ Qg7 3.Qxe6+ Qf7 4.Qh6 Qg7 5.Qxc6 Rd8 6.Qxd5+ Rf7 7.Nc4 Bc7 8.Nxa5 Ndf6
9.Qc6 Bxa5+ 10.b4
  ²  (0.60)   Depth: 8   00:00:00  42kN
2.Qxg6+ Qg7 3.Qxe6+ Qf7 4.Qh6 Qg7 5.Qxc6 Rd8 6.Qxd5+ Rf7 7.Nc4 Bc7 8.Nxa5 Ndf6
9.Qc6 Bxa5+ 10.b4
  ²  (0.60)   Depth: 9   00:00:00  89kN
2.Qxg6+ Qg7 3.Qxe6+ Qf7 4.Qh6 Qg7 5.Qxc6 Rd8 6.Qxd5+ Rf7 7.Nc4 Bc7 8.Nxa5 Ndf6
9.Qc6 Bxa5+ 10.b4
  ²  (0.60)   Depth: 10   00:00:00  286kN
2.Qxg6+ Qg7 3.Qxe6+ Qf7 4.Qh6 Qg7 5.Qxc6 Rd8 6.Qxd5+ Rf7 7.Nc4 Bc7 8.Nxa5 Ndf6
9.Qc6 Bxa5+ 10.b4
  ²  (0.60)   Depth: 11   00:00:01  841kN
2.Qxg6+ Qg7 3.Qxe6+ Qf7 4.Qh6 Qg7 5.Qxc6 Rd8 6.Qxd5+ Rf7 7.Nc4 Bc7 8.Nxa5 Ndf6
9.Qc6 Bxa5+ 10.b4
  ²  (0.60)   Depth: 12   00:00:03  2327kN
2.Qxg6+ Qg7 3.Qxe6+ Qf7 4.Qh6 Qg7 5.Qxc6 Rd8 6.Qxd5+ Rf7 7.Nc4 Bc7 8.Nxa5 Ndf6
9.Qc6 Bxa5+ 10.b4
  ²  (0.60)   Depth: 13   00:00:10  6267kN

(blass, tel-aviv 08.11.2002)

Taking back

blass,u - yace_mo
r3nrk1/3nq2p/1bp1p1B1/p2p2P1/3P1P2/PP2P3/1BQN4/R3K2R b KQ - 0 1

Analysis by yace_mo:

1...hxg6 2.Qxg6+ Qg7 3.Qxe6+ Qf7 4.Qh6 Qg7 5.Qxc6 Rd8 6.Qxd5+ Rf7 7.Nc4 Bc7
8.Nxa5 Ndf6 9.Qc6 Bxa5+ 10.b4
  ²  (0.60)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
1...hxg6 2.Qxg6+ Qg7 3.Qxe6+ Qf7 4.Qh6 Qg7 5.Qxc6 Rd8 6.Qxd5+ Rf7 7.Nc4 Bc7
8.Nxa5 Ndf6 9.Qc6 Bxa5+ 10.b4
  ²  (0.60)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
1...hxg6 2.Qxg6+ Qg7 3.Qxe6+ Qf7 4.Qh6 Qg7 5.Qxc6 Rd8 6.Qxd5+ Rf7 7.Nc4 Bc7
8.Nxa5 Ndf6 9.Qc6 Bxa5+ 10.b4
  ²  (0.60)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
1...hxg6 2.Qxg6+ Qg7 3.Qxe6+ Qf7 4.Qh6 Qg7 5.Qxc6 Rd8 6.Qxd5+ Rf7 7.Nc4 Bc7
8.Nxa5 Ndf6 9.Qc6 Bxa5+ 10.b4
  ²  (0.60)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
1...hxg6 2.Qxg6+ Qg7 3.Qxe6+ Qf7 4.Qh6 Qg7 5.Qxc6 Rd8 6.Qxd5+ Rf7 7.Nc4 Bc7
8.Nxa5 Ndf6 9.Qc6 Bxa5+ 10.b4
  ²  (0.60)   Depth: 5   00:00:00  3kN
1...hxg6 2.Qxg6+ Qg7 3.Qxe6+ Qf7 4.Qh6 Qg7 5.Qxc6 Rd8 6.Qxd5+ Rf7 7.Nc4 Bc7
8.Nxa5 Ndf6 9.Qc6 Bxa5+ 10.b4
  ²  (0.60)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  16kN
1...hxg6 2.Qxg6+ Qg7 3.Qxe6+ Qf7 4.Qh6 Qg7 5.Qxc6 Rd8 6.Qxd5+ Rf7 7.Nc4 Bc7
8.Nxa5 Ndf6 9.Qc6 Bxa5+ 10.b4
  ²  (0.60)   Depth: 7   00:00:00  65kN
1...hxg6 2.Qxg6+ Qg7 3.Qxe6+ Qf7 4.Qh6 Qg7 5.Qxc6 Rd8 6.Qxd5+ Rf7 7.Nc4 Bc7
8.Nxa5 Ndf6 9.Qc6 Bxa5+ 10.b4
  ²  (0.60)   Depth: 8   00:00:00  172kN
1...hxg6 2.Qxg6+ Qg7 3.Qxe6+ Qf7 4.Qh6 Qg7 5.Qxc6 Rd8 6.Qxd5+ Rf7 7.Nc4 Bc7
8.Nxa5 Ndf6 9.Qc6 Bxa5+ 10.b4
  ²  (0.60)   Depth: 9   00:00:00  481kN
1...hxg6 2.Qxg6+ Qg7 3.Qxe6+ Qf7 4.Qh6 Qg7 5.Qxc6 Rd8 6.Qxd5+ Rf7 7.Nc4 Bc7
8.Nxa5 Ndf6 9.Qc6 Bxa5+ 10.b4
  ²  (0.60)   Depth: 10   00:00:02  1361kN
1...hxg6 2.Qxg6+ Qg7 3.Qxe6+ Qf7 4.Qh6 Qg7 5.Qxc6 Rd8 6.Qxd5+ Rf7 7.Nc4 Bc7
8.Nxa5 Ndf6 9.Qc6 Bxa5+ 10.b4
  ²  (0.60)   Depth: 11   00:00:06  3731kN
1...hxg6 2.Qxg6+ Qg7 3.Qxe6+ Qf7 4.Qh6 Qg7 5.Qxc6 Rd8 6.Qxd5+ Rf7 7.Nc4 Bc7
8.Nxa5 Ndf6 9.Qc6 Bxa5+ 10.b4
  ²  (0.60)   Depth: 12   00:00:20  11516kN
1...hxg6 2.Qxg6+ Qg7 3.Qxe6+ Qf7 4.Qh6 Qg7 5.Qxc6 Rd8 6.Qxd5+ Rf7 7.Nc4 Bc7
8.Nxa5 Ndf6 9.Qc6 Bxa5+ 10.b4
  ²  (0.60)   Depth: 13   00:00:59  32892kN

(blass, tel-aviv 08.11.2002)

Taking back

blass,u - yace_mo
r3nrk1/3nq2p/1bp1p1p1/p2p2PB/3P1P2/PP2P3/1BQN4/R3K2R w KQ - 0 1

Analysis by yace_mo:

1.Bxg6 hxg6 2.Qxg6+ Qg7 3.Qxe6+ Qf7 4.Qh6 Qg7 5.Qxc6 Rd8 6.Qxd5+ Rf7 7.Nc4 Bc7
8.Nxa5 Ndf6 9.Qc6 Bxa5+ 10.b4
  ²  (0.60)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
1.Qxc6
  ±  (0.90)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
1.Qxc6 Ra6
  ±  (0.90)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
1.Qxc6 Ra6 2.Qb7
  ±  (0.90)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
1.Qxc6 Ra6 2.Qb7 Ra7
  ±  (0.90)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
1.Qxc6 Ra6 2.Bf3 Ra7 3.Qc1
  ±  (0.90)   Depth: 5   00:00:00  5kN
1.Qxc6 Ra6 2.Bf3 Ra7 3.Qc1 Ng7
  ±  (0.90)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  28kN
1.Qxc6 Ra6 2.Bf3 Ra7 3.Qc1 Ng7 4.Ke2
  ±  (0.90)   Depth: 7   00:00:00  103kN
1.Qxc6 Ra6 2.Bf3 Ra7 3.Qc1 Ng7 4.Ke2 Rf7
  ±  (0.90)   Depth: 8   00:00:00  302kN
1.Qxc6 Ra6 2.Bf3 Ra7 3.Qc1 Ng7 4.Ke2 Rf7 5.Kd3
  ±  (0.90)   Depth: 9   00:00:01  841kN
1.Qxc6 Ra6 2.Bf3 Ra7 3.Qc1 Ng7 4.Ke2 Rf7 5.Kd3 Kh8
  ±  (0.90)   Depth: 10   00:00:05  2605kN
1.Qxc6 Nd6 2.Bf3 Rfc8 3.Qa4 Bd8 4.Ke2 Nb6 5.Bxd5 Nxa4 6.bxa4
  ²  (0.50)   Depth: 11   00:00:15  9153kN
1.Qxc6 Nd6 2.Bf3 Rfc8 3.Qa4 Bd8 4.b4 axb4 5.Qd1 Rab8 6.Ke2
  =  (0.10)   Depth: 11   00:00:19  10612kN
1.Bxg6 hxg6 2.Qxg6+ Qg7 3.Qxe6+ Qf7 4.Qh6 Qg7 5.Qxc6 Rd8 6.Qxd5+ Rf7 7.Nc4 Bc7
8.Nxa5 Ndf6 9.Qc6 Bxa5+ 10.b4
  ²  (0.60)   Depth: 11   00:00:19  10612kN
1.Bxg6 hxg6 2.Qxg6+ Qg7 3.Qxe6+ Qf7 4.Qh6 Qg7 5.Qxc6 Rd8 6.Qxd5+ Rf7 7.Nc4 Bc7
8.Nxa5 Ndf6 9.Qc6 Bxa5+ 10.b4
  ²  (0.60)   Depth: 12   00:00:45  26331kN

(blass, tel-aviv 08.11.2002)

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