Author: Uri Blass
Date: 15:29:17 11/09/02
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On November 09, 2002 at 17:36:02, pavel wrote: >On November 09, 2002 at 17:22:49, Gerd Isenberg wrote: > >>On November 09, 2002 at 16:59:34, Russell Reagan wrote: >> >>>On November 09, 2002 at 16:45:26, Gerd Isenberg wrote: >>> >>>>I played CCT4 manually with IsiChess. My conclusion: A seriuos online tournament >>>>requires automatic play. Otherwise there might be always some suspicion obout >>>>some kind of cheating. Most likely forcing moves or delaying entering moves, in >>>>case of ponder hits in critical situations. >>> >>>The rules about hardware basically say, "We can't possibly control that, so >>>there's no rule." This is another situation that we have zero control over. If >>>I'm going to cheat, automatic play does absolutely nothing to prevent that. I >>>can add in a few system calls to test key states, pop open windows to say, "I am >>>going to play 1. e4. Is this ok?" or "Keep searching?" or whatever. >>> >>>As I see it, this rule would only limit the people who can play. Also, I see it >>>as a significant bonus to someone who uses automatic play, because they will be >>>less likely to get into a time crunch or fat finger a wrong move in, or >>>whatever. >>> >>>Russell >> >>Ok, but that implies the intention to cheat, you have also to manipulate the >>log-files, or the whisper output, PV and time. The author or an authorized >>operator is responsible and may lose some reputation. >> >>Playing manuelly allows some subtle kind of manipulating, like going to the bath >>room, when your engine needs a long think, and you are sure your engine ponders >>an obvious move. >> >>Gerd >> >>The rule proposal is not random, but based on experience. >> >>Gerd > >Yes, but basically the rule is that all program who plays this tournament has to >be winboard/xboard/UCI compatible or you can't play it. > >Don't you think you are asking too much for someone who has written a chess >program that is not compatible with such protocols and thus not be able to play >on ICS automatically. I think that 90% of the programmmers support winboard,xboard or UCI. > >In order to join this tournament, he probably will have to re-write large chunk >of his program and perhaps spend months to make it work. There are almost 200 winboard programs and most of the programmers did not waste months to connect their program with winboard. > >That means, the chessbase programmers need to make their program compatible with >ICS, or modify the adaptar that helps it play automatically to kibitz. I believe that the chessbase programmers are better programmers than most of the amateurs, so if most of the amateurs could do it the chessbase programmers have no problems to do it. > >This is not a computer chess tournament, this is a "winboard/xboard/UCI >compatible" chess tournament. > >That suxs. I think that it is better if every computer tournament is going to be winboard,xboard,UCI compatible chess tournament. Uri
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