Author: Mark Young
Date: 14:55:15 09/11/98
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On September 11, 1998 at 14:45:31, Bruce Moreland wrote: >On September 10, 1998 at 23:52:52, Mark Young wrote: > >>On September 10, 1998 at 17:19:23, blass uri wrote: > >>>Do they use the same book in sweden? >> >>Lets not pussy foot around this. It would not matter what book was used. The >>book was not the problem...... Anyone who has fritz 5 and uses it knows that >>fritz 5 will not play bad line after bad line unless it was setup to do so or >>made to, if the program is in working order. I don't know what the problem is, >>but I have reasons to feel it was not fritz 5's fault for its poor showing. > >Well, if we really want to not pussy foot around this, let's get it *all* out in >the open. > >I think if I had to reword your post so that it actually says what it means, my >best effort would be, "Fritz 5 is a fine program, but it did poorly in >Thorsten's tournament, and Thorsten is known to have a thing about Fritz, so I >think Thorsten is cheating." > >This is pretty clearly what you mean, Mark, and others are supporting you by >writing similarly indirect statements. As of this point we have Moritz >suggesting that Thorsten is influencing the results somehow, and we have Enrique >suggesting that Thorsten is playing several games per round and keeping the ones >that suit him, although neither of these accusations was of the form, "I think >Thorsten did X". > >I can imagine a world where someone would actually directly influence game >outcomes. But I don't have any evidence for this, I think it makes not much >more sense to believe that this is what is happening here as it does to believe >that the ChessBase autoplayer cheats. > >As an aside, I don't think Thorsten is devious enough to invent a whole >tournament. I have known him casually for several years, and I am unsurprised >to see him in the role of the "minority of one", but I don't think he would be >so unprincipled as to create the result that suits him. > >Like it or not, Thorsten is on-topic and you guys are attacking him personally. >I think that there is room for a few suspicious comments here, but I think that >quota has been mostly filled, so rather than engaging in a prolonged war, >perhaps you guys could run your own tournament. > >To those who feel the need to complain about the content of this post, please >post complaints to Amir, Don, and I, rather than just posting to one of us. > What is the attack here? What charge did I make personally against Thorston? I said I did not know what the problem is. I just know how the book works and anyone how has fritz 5 can check out the book lines and know it would not play all of low percentage moves it made game after game, if the program is in working order. Unless it was setup to do so, or it was made to. I see no other options for why. I gave all options and did not say what happend. I did not say this was the fault of Thorsten. I just said that their is some kind of problem. And anyone who has Fritz 5 and looks at the book lines can see for themselfs that their is some kind of problem. Is it now the job of the moderator to invite complaints? >Amirban@m-sys.com; drd@supertech.lcs.mit.edu; brucemo@seanet.com > >Or feel free to make additional responses here. > >bruce
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