Author: Uri Blass
Date: 08:41:08 11/10/02
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On November 10, 2002 at 10:39:45, Walter Eigenmann wrote: >>>01. Gambit Tiger 2.0......30 >>>02. Junior 7..............29 >>>03. Shredder 6.02.........25 >>>04. Fritz 7...............24/4 >>>05. Hiarcs 8..............24/2 >>>06. Nimzo 8...............23/3 >>>07. CM8000/Pillen.........23/2/11 >>>08. Pepito 1.55...........23/2/10 >>>09. Ruffian 1.0.1.........23/2/8 >>>10. Dragon 4.3.2..........22/3/8 >>>10. KingOfKings 2.02......22/3/8 >>>10. Madeleine 0.1.........22/3/8 >>>13. LG2000 3.8............21/3 >>>14. Crafty 19.01..........21/2 >>>15. Terra 2.9.............20/4 >>>16. Mint 2.3..............20/3 >>>17. Comet B50.............20/1 > >>This shows the value of the test. >>Mint is not going to be better than Comet >in every logical test. > > >What are you talking about?? >That's the ranking of an engine TEST, not an engine MATCH! > >Let's open your eyes - with an example >(AthlonXP2000, DF7-GUI, 64MbHash) > >Wahls - Hübner (11) >3rr1k1/2p2np1/p4bp1/1pn1p3/3N1PP1/2P4P/PPN5/R1B2RK1 w - - > >Two moves are interesting: >The "lost" move fxe5? - - and the "draw" move Nc6 >(Each program wants to move one of these two possibilities) > >What does "Comet B50" (U.Türke) say? > >1.Sc6 Td3 2.g5 Ld8 3.Le3 Se6 4.S6b4 Txe3 5.Sxe3 exf4 6.Sed5 Sfxg5 > ³ (-0.27) Tiefe: 11/34 00:00:41 19408kN >1.fxe5 Lxe5 2.Le3 Sa4 3.Tab1 Lf6 4.Sf3 Td3 5.g5 Ld8 6.Tfe1 c5 > = (-0.21) Tiefe: 11/34 00:01:01 28955kN >1.fxe5 Sxe5 2.g5 Le7 3.Sb4 Ld6 4.Lf4 Sed3 5.Sxd3 Sxd3 6.Sc2 > ³ (-0.35) Tiefe: 12/34 00:02:30 70910kN >1.fxe5 Sxe5 2.g5 Le7 3.Lf4 Sed3 4.Lxc7 Tc8 5.Lf4 Sxf4 6.Txf4 Lxg5 7.Tff1 > ³ (-0.42) Tiefe: 12/39 00:03:54 109686kN > >hmm..... > >What does "Mint 2.3" (Ch.Söderström) say? > >1.Sc6 Td6 2.fxe5 Sxe5 3.Sxe5 Lxe5 4.Se1 Se4 5.Kh1 > ³ (-0.29) Tiefe: 9 00:00:31 4857kN >1.Sc6 Td6 2.S2b4 g5 3.fxg5 Sxg5 4.h4 Sge4 5.g5 Sg3 > ³ (-0.51) Tiefe: 10 00:01:22 13079kN >1.Sc6 Td3 2.Le3 Sa4 3.fxe5 Sxe5 4.Sxe5 Lxe5 5.Tab1 Ld6 > ³ (-0.35) Tiefe: 11 00:04:47 45320kN > >Not bad... > >What does "Movei 0.07a" (U.Blass) say? > >No comment... > >1.fxe5 Sxe5 > = (-0.02) Tiefe: 2 00:00:00 >1.fxe5 Lxe5 2.Ld2 > = (0.18) Tiefe: 3 00:00:00 >1.fxe5 Lxe5 2.Ld2 > = (0.18) Tiefe: 3 00:00:00 >1.fxe5 Lxe5 2.Ld2 Se4 > = (0.18) Tiefe: 4 00:00:00 >1.fxe5 Lxe5 2.Ld2 Se4 > = (0.18) Tiefe: 4 00:00:00 >1.fxe5 Lxe5 2.Le3 Sd3 3.b4 > ² (0.27) Tiefe: 5 00:00:00 >1.fxe5 Lxe5 2.Le3 Sd3 3.b4 > ² (0.27) Tiefe: 5 00:00:00 >1.fxe5 Lxe5 2.Le3 Se4 3.Tad1 c5 > ² (0.30) Tiefe: 6 00:00:00 34kN >1.fxe5 Lxe5 2.Le3 Se4 3.Tad1 c5 > ² (0.30) Tiefe: 6 00:00:00 40kN >1.fxe5 Lxe5 2.Le3 Se4 3.Sc6 Tc8 4.Tad1 > ² (0.32) Tiefe: 7 00:00:00 88kN >1.fxe5 Lxe5 2.Le3 Se4 3.Sc6 Tc8 4.Tad1 > ² (0.32) Tiefe: 7 00:00:00 130kN >1.fxe5 Lxe5 2.Sc6 Td6 3.Sxe5 Sxe5 4.Lf4 Scd3 > ² (0.35) Tiefe: 8 00:00:01 348kN >1.fxe5 Lxe5 2.Sc6 Td6 3.Sxe5 Sxe5 4.Lf4 Scd3 > ² (0.35) Tiefe: 8 00:00:01 413kN >1.fxe5 Sxe5 2.g5 Le7 3.Le3 Tf8 4.Sb4 a5 5.Sbc6 Sxc6 6.Sxc6 > ² (0.32) Tiefe: 9 00:00:02 908kN >1.fxe5 Sxe5 2.g5 Le7 3.Le3 Tf8 4.Sb4 a5 5.Sbc6 Sxc6 6.Sxc6 > ² (0.32) Tiefe: 9 00:00:04 1400kN >1.fxe5 Lxe5 2.Sc6 Td3 3.Le3 Ld6 4.Tfe1 Sa4 5.Tab1 Sc5 > ² (0.27) Tiefe: 10 00:00:10 3985kN >1.fxe5 Lxe5 2.Sc6 Td3 3.Le3 Ld6 4.Tfe1 Sa4 5.Tab1 Sc5 > ² (0.27) Tiefe: 10 00:00:12 4887kN >1.fxe5 Sxe5 2.g5 Le7 3.Sb4 Sed3 4.Sbc6 Td5 5.h4 Se4 6.Sxe7+ Txe7 7.Tb1 > ² (0.27) Tiefe: 11 00:00:40 15890kN >1.fxe5 Sxe5 2.g5 Le7 3.Sb4 Sed3 4.Sbc6 Td5 5.h4 Se4 6.Sxe7+ Txe7 7.Tb1 > ² (0.27) Tiefe: 11 00:00:47 18966kN >1.fxe5 Sxe5 2.g5 Le7 3.b4 Sa4 4.Lf4 Ld6 5.Se2 Sb2 6.Sed4 Sbd3 > ² (0.26) Tiefe: 12 00:01:40 40084kN >1.fxe5 Sxe5 2.g5 Le7 3.b4 Sa4 4.Lf4 Ld6 5.Se2 Sb2 6.Sed4 Sbd3 > ² (0.26) Tiefe: 12 00:02:03 49076kN >1.fxe5 Sxe5 2.g5 Le7 3.Sb4 Sed3 4.Sbc6 Td5 5.h4 Ld6 6.Td1 Lg3 7.b4 > = (0.24) Tiefe: 13 00:05:33 134615kN >1.fxe5 Sxe5 2.g5 Le7 3.Sb4 Sed3 4.Sbc6 Td5 5.h4 Ld6 6.Td1 Lg3 7.b4 > = (0.24) Tiefe: 13 00:07:55 194318kN > > >http://www.beepworld.de/members38/eigenmann/swisstest.htm The choice of programs means nothing because the programs that choose 1.Nc6 do not understand that fxe5 is bad. Both moves are evaluated almost the same I believe that the programs that most programs that choose Nc6 do not know to win after fxe5. Uri
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