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Subject: Re: CCT5 planning started

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 10:01:51 11/10/02

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On November 10, 2002 at 04:22:16, Sune Fischer wrote:

>On November 09, 2002 at 22:31:34, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On November 09, 2002 at 17:42:07, Russell Reagan wrote:
>>
>>>On November 09, 2002 at 17:22:49, Gerd Isenberg wrote:
>>>
>>>>The rule proposal is not random, but based on experience.
>>>
>>>I'm just saying that the rule proposal does nothing to prevent anyone from
>>>cheating, and it also acts in a counter-productive manner by preventing some
>>>people from participating. So, it's a matter of whether you want to add the pro
>>>with the con, or have neither.
>>>
>>>Russell
>>
>>
>>There is no way to _prevent_ cheating.  But one significant problem we had
>>in the past was a programmer using a manual interface while in book, then
>>switching to automatic after out of book. The excuse "my interface won't work
>>with a book" is pure nonsense, it just lets the human choose the opening lines
>>as he wishes.
>>
>>If we require kibitzing time, score and PV, it will be very hard for an operator
>>to make the program play a different move while keeping the scores and PV in a
>>consistent state.  It won't eliminate it, but it will make it harder.
>
>What score and PV do you display while in book then?

I display a score of <book> and the PV contains the book move and the
most popular book response to that move.  But the main point is that I
play that move _instantly_.  No manual operator can do that...


>There is no output from my engine while in book, I don't see what information
>could be relevant, perhaps statistics on how often the chosen moves are played,
>but that is no trivial matter to implement (and I would find it rather boring to
>be honest, so hopefully no rule about that).
>
>-S.


I don't see any reason to kibitz or whisper something while in book.  When
two programs are in book for 10-20 moves, who could follow kibitzing at that
speed anyway?  :)




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