Author: martin fierz
Date: 15:37:02 11/10/02
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On November 10, 2002 at 17:23:44, Uri Blass wrote: >On November 10, 2002 at 16:32:45, martin fierz wrote: > >>On November 10, 2002 at 11:40:28, Bob Durrett wrote: >> >>>What Will Happen to Fritz When an Amateur Program Becomes #1? >>> >>>Especially, if the Amateur program can be downloaded like Crafty? >>> >>>[The question has to do with Fritz's marketability.] >>> >>>I like Fritz. Please don't kill it. : ( >>> >>>Maybe the Fritz people will defend themselves by making their programs more >>>useful to ordinary users. Sort of like CM. That would be good. : ) >>> >>>Bob D. >> >>first, fritz is already much more useful to "normal" users. for example, there >>is no single file i know of with a strong freeware program like >>crafty/ruffian/yace which i can just install on my PC, and which then just >>works. you need to fiddle with command-line options of winboard, or winboard >>adapters, which is no problem to computer-savvy users, but i think the majority >>of computer users is not able to install these programs easily or at all. >>second, fritz is, at the moment, clearly stronger than all those amateurs. and i >>see no way for that to change. being able to work on your program all day >>instead of stealing a couple of hours from wife & kids is by far too big an >>advantage... >> >>aloha >> martin > >You assume that the opponents are unable to work >all day on their chess program. > >It is not clear. if an amateur is working all day on his program then i agree with you, he can produce an engine to rival the commercials. if not, it is hard to imagine. >I do not know how much time amateurs give for their programs >but I suspect that the new amateurs gives more >time for their chess program relative to >the old amateurs. right, i guess, for multiple reasons. new amateurs may be young and have no family, and therefore, more time for programming. also, it is new and exciting. i think new amateurs can quickly get up to a high level, because many "tricks of the trade" are well published (e.g. crafty's source is freely available. you don't have to clone it, just look at it for ideas). but after that, when you have to produce original ideas to improve your engine, the going gets tough... aloha martin >It is one of the possible explanations for the >relatively good results of programs that >were born only in this year like Thinker. > >In the beginning of this year the result of >a new program like Resp was impressive >and today a new program at the level of first >Resp is only another new program. > >Uri
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