Author: Uri Blass
Date: 02:30:24 11/13/02
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On November 13, 2002 at 05:05:28, David Dory wrote: >On November 13, 2002 at 04:32:11, Jorge Pichard wrote: > >>This was article was copied from, Mig is the editor-in-chief of >>KasparovChess.com. >> >>"So we know that Deep Blue was much faster than anything around today, even >>hundreds of times faster. But does that mean better? You can always count on >>Amir Ban to cut through the hot air and he does so admirably here, "I've written >>on this several times, and to summarize my position, it is that a machine that >>is much better than all the others must be shown to play an objectively good >>move that the others don't, or at least the others need much more time to play >>it. >> >>During the debate the supporters of Deep Blue's exceptional strength were asked >>to name such a move, but failed to show anything convincing. This was the >>situation even in 1997, when PCs and engines were weaker. >> >>If Deep Blue did not play in its entire career a move that shows exceptional >>depth, then I'm not prepared to believe it had it (and if it had it, it was a >>wasted career)." >> >>In other words, Deep Blue, put up or shut up! Falling back on theory and one >>fluke result of six games is no substitute for empirical evidence. From the hard >>data we have we know that Deep Blue's potential was far beyond what current >>programs on current hardware are capable of. What we don't know is if this >>potential was ever realized in the quality of its chess, and we won't know as >>long as DB remains mothballed. (A Deep Blue Jr. is still around and has made >>sporadic appearances.) >> >>My thanks to Prof. Hyatt, Amir Ban, and everyone in the Computer Chess Club >>discussion group for their input and views." > >It's important to remember the basics here - Deep Blue is 1) a non-speaking >chess computer, and 2) is non-operational. > >So asking DB to "put up or shut up", is quite telling of the writer's >intellectual grasp of the topic, of logic, or both. > >The "supporters of deep blue" (whoever THEY may be), only had to ask GK about a >"good move db made". GK even alleged possible cheating with one very good DB >move, saying "no computer would make that move". I do not think that it was a good move. This move was not typical to computers but we have no proof that it was better than the typical computer move. Uri
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