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Subject: Re: books

Author: Dirk Frickenschmidt

Date: 10:42:44 09/12/98

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On September 12, 1998 at 02:32:41, Bruce Moreland wrote:

Hi Bruce, you wrote to Mark Young:
---(rest snipped)---
>
>I know that you, Enrique, Moritz, and maybe Dirk are frustrated by this
>tournament.  But let us try to figure out a way that we can handle this
>situation constructively, without calling people cheaters this time around, and
>without making posts where people are indirectly called cheaters.  I don't think
>this new strategy is much of an improvement over last time.

Bruce, I really don't care if Fritz5 does poor with poor openings and some
hardware disadvantage in Thorsten's tournament. I find many of the games
interesting and have fun in replaying them. So why should I dislike the
tournament? I always like such tournaments, and the only thing where I oppose
Thorsten are comments which I find out of place.

I think you evaluate my (probably and/or Enriques and Moritz') point of view in
a wrong way, if you really imply what you indicated above. As proof concerning
me I add what I already have written on CCC before this thread here and what you
probably have not read yet. No problem, I just clarify.

But if you go as far as claiming "calling people cheaters" should be "a new
strategy", and that you don't "think this new strategy is much of an improvement
over last time" I don't quite see what the names of Moritz, Enrique or myself
could have to do with what you say?

Or to say it frankly: I don't want to see my name even in distant connection to
such an evaluation of what happened or happens right now. This would force me do
contradict in a very sharp way.


Here is what I wrote elsewhere on CCC:


--Begin of quote--

Hi Thorsten,

(Thorsten had written:)
>I have recognized the statements of mark and others too, they had an offensive
>tone within. Not said straight, but between the lines.
>What disapoints me enough is that meanwhile I did post computerchess data, they
>do not refer in ANY way to my data. In opposite they throw with indifferent and
>offending statements. If they have evidence that THEIR fritz5-power.ctg plays
>different, why not referring to this.
>I mean, when I am cheating (as mark implies, or enrique, or whoever), how do i
>do it ?

(And I answered:)

I have not read from their post that they accuse you of cheating.
I wouldn't either. Concerning the Fritz powerbook:

1. It definitely *has* weak lines in it. I have seen one from time to time as
well. Probably this comes from having too many unchecked lines from below strong
GM level in it.

2. With strong learning on, if you play some blitz games or games against
different or weak players, the narrow learning sometimes specializes in a funny
way, resulting in unrealistic weights for some moves which are no good any
longer for serious play.

3. To be sure that no such previous kind of bad-tuning by random play happens, I
clean the evaluations before serious tournaments. Just to be sure I get the
standard book lines and learning only from the serious tournament games played
then. I don't know in which state your powerbook was when beginning the
tournament.

4. I said I get these funny openings in the powerbook as well.
But what perhaps looks strange to some here, is *how* *much* bad luck in finding
such openings Fritz5 had so far. I do not evaluate this in any way, not knowing
at all how it happened. I have not rechecked all of the games and only replayed
some that where of interest to me, but I remember the last one was not the first
bad Fritz opening choice in this tournament.

5. My technical proposal is just to recheck what I said above in 2. and 3.
If none of that is the reason for the bad opening choices, well then its no
drama either. Fritz then just made bad powerbook choices, resulting in some bad
middlegames, on a processor on which it is relatively slow compared to other
programs anyway. No big deal...

There are enough interesting programs and games in your tournament, so I for one
won't stare at the Fritz5 outcome all the time.
I know how strong Fritz5 is anyway and need no such tournament to find that out.
And I can't replay the manual games by autoplayer because I use two 200MMX
machines, leading to other play...
So I propose to anyone to just get the best of what you do, not caring too much
about how Fritz5 does exactly in *this* tournament. The tournament can't and
shouldn't carry the weight of proving how bad or good Fritz5 really may be.
I guess it's time to relax, have fun in looking at the most interesting games
and wait for the outcome of the tournament. If Crafty or CSTal win, why not?
Both are nice and interesting programs...
Dirk

-- end of quote --


I think this is enough to clarify my point of view.
I just tried to help to find reasons for Fritz' opening choices in this
tournament. Thorsten has not yet answered my questions above, so I don't know if
he played with a clean powerbook (or powerbook from CD) or with some heavy
evaluation changes from previous play...

Kind regards
from Dirk



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