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Subject: Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better

Author: David Hanley

Date: 13:52:35 11/13/02

On November 13, 2002 at 12:11:08, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:

>On November 13, 2002 at 12:06:18, David Hanley wrote:
>
>>Deep blue played a lot of games.  It blew over all the computers ( except
>>fritz, one time ) in the ACM contests.  It played a lot of GM games and
>>matches.
>
>5 years ago. That means *nothing* today.

There is the claim that the DB was no better than other programs at that time.
The ACM contests seem to refute that.

Also, its record against GM's and world chamoppions was, and still is excellent.
 Do the current machines do as well?  You could argue that.

>If you play the current best program on current hardware against that
>combination, it's also going to blow it over.

Against the kasparov, etc?  Well, well see.  But i expect that it won't convince
either camp.

>
>>I don't think this put-down of DB is intended as an honest argument.
>
>Amir has stated this repeatedly, even here, in the past.

That doesn't mean it's an honest arguemnt.  The fact that program 'a' might
reproduce DB move 'b' doesn't mean that 'a' is not better than 'b'.  After all,
a random chess program will eventually reproduce "the immortal game."

dave

Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Gian-Carlo Pascutto 00:33:48 11/14/02
- Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Robert Hyatt 08:26:37 11/14/02
  - Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Rolf Tueschen 09:57:19 11/14/02
    - Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Robert Hyatt 14:20:45 11/14/02
      - Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Rolf Tueschen 15:49:45 11/14/02
        
        Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Robert Hyatt 16:55:59 11/14/02
        
        Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Uri Blass 22:33:16 11/14/02
        
        Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Robert Hyatt 07:22:28 11/15/02
        
        Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Rolf Tueschen 03:30:17 11/15/02
        
        Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Uri Blass 04:39:00 11/15/02
        
        Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Robert Hyatt 07:26:03 11/15/02
        
        Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Uri Blass 07:36:54 11/15/02
        
        Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Rolf Tueschen 11:56:26 11/15/02
        
        Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Uri Blass 13:26:22 11/15/02
        
        Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Robert Hyatt 15:02:10 11/15/02
        
        Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Uri Blass 15:15:43 11/15/02
        
        Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Robert Hyatt 20:31:35 11/16/02
        
        Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Vincent Diepeveen 07:59:11 11/18/02
        
        Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Robert Hyatt 10:48:35 11/18/02
        
        Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Uri Blass 23:23:40 11/16/02
        
        Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Robert Hyatt 16:05:42 11/17/02
        
        Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Rolf Tueschen 14:03:44 11/15/02
      - Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Uri Blass 15:07:40 11/14/02
        
        Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Robert Hyatt 16:57:02 11/14/02
        
        Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Uri Blass 22:02:52 11/14/02
        
        Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Robert Hyatt 07:27:12 11/15/02
        
        Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Uri Blass 07:41:55 11/15/02
        
        Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Robert Hyatt 15:03:29 11/15/02
        
        Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Uri Blass 15:50:12 11/15/02
        
        Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Robert Hyatt 20:32:31 11/16/02

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