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Subject: Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 14:20:45 11/14/02

On November 14, 2002 at 12:57:19, Rolf Tueschen wrote:

>On November 14, 2002 at 11:26:37, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On November 14, 2002 at 03:33:48, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>>
>>>On November 13, 2002 at 16:52:35, David Hanley wrote:
>>>
>>>>>If you play the current best program on current hardware against that
>>>>>combination, it's also going to blow it over.
>>>>
>>>>Against the kasparov, etc?  Well, well see.  But i expect that it won't >convince either camp.
>>>
>>>No. DB of then against the top of now. I suspect DB would get spanked.
>>>
>>>DB of then against the programs of then is another matter.
>>>
>>>--
>>>GCP
>>
>>I'll change the metaphor a bit, but if by "spanked" you mean that DB's
>>fist would get beat to a bloody pulp by the faces of today's micros" then
>>I might agree.
>>
>>But _only_ in that metaphorical context.
>
>If it's only about metaphors, I think that computer chess is also a topic for
>me. I have the concrete question if you could give us a comparison from the old
>days. How would you compare the difference in strength between the actual
>commercials and DB2 in giving the names of ancient programs? Could we say, CRAY
>BLITZ against FRITZ 2 or what would you prefer?
>
>Rolf Tueschen
>I

I am not sure what you are asking.  I don't personally have a lot of experience
with older
commercials.  The only experiment I ever ran caused a lot of ruckus in r.g.c
(prior to the
days of r.g.c.c) when I ran several games between a single-cpu Cray Blitz vs
Chess Genius
2 on the fastest PC of that day, which I think was a 486/66 or something
similar.  It ended
like the DB single chip vs the micros ended, except that I _did_ post the games,
without
posting the name of the opponent.  But someone (Chris Whittington I think)
figured it out
because it was a king safety debacle for the micro.

All I can say about DB2 vs the micros is that it is about 200x faster.  That's
more than enough.
Null-move or not.  IE I wouldn't want to play a match Crafty vs
Crafty/no-null/200x faster,
myself, and that would not be a completely fair test since I know that DB did
some things in
their eval that I am not doing at present...

Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Rolf Tueschen 15:49:45 11/14/02
- Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Robert Hyatt 16:55:59 11/14/02
  - Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Uri Blass 22:33:16 11/14/02
    - Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Robert Hyatt 07:22:28 11/15/02
    - Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Rolf Tueschen 03:30:17 11/15/02
      - Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Uri Blass 04:39:00 11/15/02
        
        Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Robert Hyatt 07:26:03 11/15/02
        
        Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Uri Blass 07:36:54 11/15/02
        
        Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Rolf Tueschen 11:56:26 11/15/02
        
        Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Uri Blass 13:26:22 11/15/02
        
        Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Robert Hyatt 15:02:10 11/15/02
        
        Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Uri Blass 15:15:43 11/15/02
        
        Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Robert Hyatt 20:31:35 11/16/02
        
        Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Vincent Diepeveen 07:59:11 11/18/02
        
        Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Robert Hyatt 10:48:35 11/18/02
        
        Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Uri Blass 23:23:40 11/16/02
        
        Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Robert Hyatt 16:05:42 11/17/02
        
        Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Rolf Tueschen 14:03:44 11/15/02
Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Uri Blass 15:07:40 11/14/02
- Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Robert Hyatt 16:57:02 11/14/02
  - Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Uri Blass 22:02:52 11/14/02
    - Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Robert Hyatt 07:27:12 11/15/02
      - Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Uri Blass 07:41:55 11/15/02
        
        Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Robert Hyatt 15:03:29 11/15/02
        
        Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Uri Blass 15:50:12 11/15/02
        
        Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better Robert Hyatt 20:32:31 11/16/02

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