Author: Uri Blass
Date: 11:14:13 11/15/02
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On November 15, 2002 at 09:39:52, Bob Durrett wrote: >On November 15, 2002 at 07:46:07, Sandro Necchi wrote: > >>On November 15, 2002 at 02:24:14, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On November 15, 2002 at 01:29:06, Sandro Necchi wrote: >>> >>>>On November 14, 2002 at 12:48:11, Sandro Necchi wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 14, 2002 at 07:49:14, Vincent Lejeune wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On November 14, 2002 at 07:40:08, Sandro Necchi wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On November 14, 2002 at 02:55:46, stuart taylor wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On November 14, 2002 at 00:59:54, Sandro Necchi wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On November 13, 2002 at 10:32:11, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On November 13, 2002 at 01:26:19, stuart taylor wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On November 13, 2002 at 00:41:41, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>On November 12, 2002 at 13:55:34, José Carlos wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>On November 12, 2002 at 13:30:49, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>On November 12, 2002 at 02:48:21, José Carlos wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On November 11, 2002 at 22:08:13, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On November 11, 2002 at 19:13:19, John Rice wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I realize these engines are not even available yet commercially, but I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>guessing they have been beta testing for some time. For those of you involved in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the beta testing, or have access to beta results, which of these three engines >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>do you expect to top the SSDF? With Deep Fritz 7 and Chess Tiger 15 added to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mix, how would you rank all five from top to bottom? Here is my guess: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1. Shredder 7 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2. Fritz 8 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>3. Chess Tiger 15 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>4. Junior 8 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>5. Deep Fritz 7 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On what is based your guess? Crystal ball? Marijuana? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christophe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you use crystal ball and marijuana? Or do you think anyone who posts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>something you don't like is in drugs? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> José C. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>It's not that I don't like it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>It's just that rolling dices would be a more scientific method. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>But who cares about science here? It's all about impressions and fantasy. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christophe >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Science is part of the fun. Impressions and fantasy are other part of the fun. >>>>>>>>>>>>>None of both parts deserve the accusation of using drugs. Open your mind; >>>>>>>>>>>>>there're more things in the world apart from science. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> José C. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Open your mind too. Never heard about "humour" (or "humor", depending on where >>>>>>>>>>>>you live)? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>It was an humoristic way for me to say that this prediction was bullshit. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Christophe >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Is my prediction (a few posts below) just as BS? >>>>>>>>>>>S.Taylor >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Any prediction that includes non-released programs is bullshit. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>It depends who makes it and how it is made. >>>>>>>>>A general statement like this is bullshit. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Christophe >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Sandro >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>And just wait and see if I was right! >>>>>>>>Junior 8 >>>>>>>>Tiger 15 >>>>>>>>Fritz 8 >>>>>>>>Shredder 7 >>>>>>>>DF. 7 >>>>>>>>And CM9K Utzinger very close by. >>>>>>>>S.Taylor >>>>>>> >>>>>>>OK, here are my expectations: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Junior 8 = + 60 points over Junior 7 >>>>>>>Tiger 15 = + 45 points over CT14 >>>>>>>Fritz 8 will be postponed to make it stronger... >>>>>>>Shredder 7 = + 50 points over UCI Paderborn >>>>>>>DF 7 = we know it already. My expectation after seeing some games was 35-40 >>>>>>>points stronger than Fritz 7 >>>>>> >>>>>>1 Deep Fritz 7.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2763 >>>>>>2 Fritz 7.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2742 >>>>>> >>>>>>only 21 points difference ... so you admit that your error margin is 180% ?? ;o) >>>>> >>>>>Yes, but I do not know this program as I do with Shredder and I think it will >>>>>gain some points in the near feature as Fritz 7 will loose some. >>>>> >>>>>Sandro >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Now you can guess the resulting SSDF list >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Sandro >>>> >>>>I mean that the final difference will be around 30 points. >>>> >>>>Anyway I AM NOT INTERESTED TO FIND OUT EXACTLY HOW MANY POINTS DIFFERENCE THERE >>>>IS BETWEEN A PROGRAM AND ANOTHER. For me 10-15 points more or less means very >>>>little. >>>> >>>>Today is difficult to see if a version is stronger than another and you are >>>>pointing out that the difference is about 14 points? >>>> >>>>SSDF makes very many games and still leave an error percentage, so how can I be >>>>precise 100%? >> >>Hi, >>> >>>Simply by giving more freedom for error in your estimates. >> >>I made predictions so I gave the most expectable value (to me). >>> >>>Instead of saying that a program is 35-40 elo better you can say it is 5-60 elo >>>better. >> >>5 to 60 does not mean anything. >>I would not say that player plays 1000 to 2700 Elo points... >> >>> >>>I do not believe that you or somebody else can get a good estimate for the exact >>>difference in an interval of 5 elo after seeing some games. >> >>What you believe is not important. > >If you wish to answer your questions [below] for movei, then Uri's opinions are >useful. You can gain insights into Uri's program which you could not get by >just studying movei's games. I believe that today movei's chances in a game against shredder are small. Today I do not expect Sandro to study movei's public games(there are some public games of my private version). Things may be different if movei gets better in the future. Uri
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