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Subject: Re: which program is good in this position?

Author: Dieter Buerssner

Date: 12:02:17 11/15/02

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On November 14, 2002 at 22:09:42, martin fierz wrote:

>i was looking at eduard nemeth's page on computer chess and stumbled across the
>following famous position:
>
>1k6/8/8/8/8/5p1p/PPP5/6K1 w - - 0 1

My current version of Yace on P4, 2.53 GHz needs 10 seconds to show a negative
score, and soon shows a clear winning score for black:

   6361367   6.455   1.78 20.  1.a4 Kb7 2.b4 Kb6 3.a5+ Ka6 4.c4 Ka7 5.b5 Kb7
                               6.a6+ Kb6 7.c5+ Ka7 8.c6 Kb6 9.c7 Kxc7 10.a7
                               Kb7 11.b6 Ka8 12.Kf1 {0}
   6937788   7.055   1.38 21-- 1.a4 Kb7 2.b4 Kb6 3.a5+ Ka6 4.c4 Ka7 5.b5 Kb7
                               6.a6+ Kb6 7.c5+ Ka7 8.c6 Kb6 9.a7 Kxa7 10.Kf2
                               h2 11.Kxf3 h1=Q+ 12.Ke2
   7813255   7.989   0.38 21-- 1.a4 Kb7 2.b4 Kb6 3.a5+ Ka6 4.c4 Ka7 5.b5 Kb7
                               6.a6+ Kb6 7.c5+ Ka7 8.c6 Kb6 9.Kf2 h2 10.a7
                               h1=Q 11.a8=N+ Kxb5 12.c7H {HT}
   9732305  10.018  -1.38 21t  1.a4 Kb7 2.b4 Kb6 3.a5+ Ka6 4.c4 Ka7 5.b5 Kb7
                               6.a6+ Kb6 7.c5+ Ka7 8.c6 Kb6 9.c7 Kxc7 10.a7
                               Kb7 11.b6 Ka8H 12.b7+H Kxa7H 13.Kf2H {-80}
  12494238  12.862  -1.38 21.  1.a4 Kb7 2.b4 Kb6 3.a5+ Ka6 4.c4 Ka7 5.b5 Kb7
                               6.a6+ Kb6 7.c5+ Ka7 8.c6 Kb6 9.c7 Kxc7 10.a7
                               Kb7 11.b6 Ka8 12.b7+ Kxa7 13.Kf2 {-80}
  13892629  14.304  -1.78 22-- 1.a4 Kb7 2.b4 Kb6 3.a5+ Ka6 4.c4 Ka7 5.b5 Kb7
                               6.a6+ Kb6 7.c5+ Ka7 8.c6 Kb6 9.c7 Kxc7 10.a7
                               Kb7 11.Kf2 h2 12.a8=R h1=Q 13.b6 {-501}
  15008597  15.426  -1.97 22t  1.a4 Kb7 2.b4 Kb6 3.a5+ Ka6 4.c4 Ka7 5.b5 Kb7
                               6.a6+ Kb6 7.c5+ Ka7 8.c6 Kb6 9.c7 Kxc7 10.a7
                               Kb7 11.a8=Q+ Kxa8 12.b6 Kb7H 13.Kf2H {-80}
  17219411  17.670  -1.97 22.  1.a4 Kb7 2.b4 Kb6 3.a5+ Ka6 4.c4 Ka7 5.b5 Kb7
                               6.a6+ Kb6 7.c5+ Ka7 8.c6 Kb6 9.c7 Kxc7 10.a7
                               Kb7 11.a8=Q+ Kxa8 12.b6 Kb7 13.Kf2 {-80}
  18413005  18.945  -2.37 23-- 1.a4 Kb7 2.b4 Kb6 3.a5+ Ka6 4.c4 Ka7 5.b5 Kb7
                               6.a6+ Kb6 7.Kh2 f2 8.Kg3 f1=Q 9.c5+ Kxc5 10.a7
                               h2 11.a8=R
  19220374  19.769  -3.37 23-- 1.a4 Kb7 2.b4 Kb6 3.a5+ Ka6 4.c4 Ka7 5.b5 Kb7
                               6.a6+ Kb6 7.Kh2 f2 8.Kg3 f1=Q 9.c5+ Kxc5 10.a7
                               h2 11.a8=R
  23381560  24.063  -6.31 23t  1.a4 Kb7 2.b4 Kb6 3.a5+ Ka6 4.c4 Ka7 5.b5 Kb7
                               6.a6+ Kb6 7.c5+ Ka7 8.c6 Kb6 9.c7 Kxc7 10.a7
                               Kb7 11.b6 Ka8 12.Kf2 h2 13.Kxf3 h1=Q+H 14.Kf4H
                               {-841}
  28849741  29.803  -6.31 23.  1.a4 Kb7 2.b4 Kb6 3.a5+ Ka6 4.c4 Ka7 5.b5 Kb7
                               6.a6+ Kb6 7.c5+ Ka7 8.c6 Kb6 9.c7 Kxc7 10.a7
                               Kb7 11.b6 Ka8 12.Kf2 h2 13.Kxf3 h1=Q+ 14.Kf4
                               {-841}
  32846413  34.132  -6.71 24-- 1.a4 Kb7 2.b4 Kb6 3.a5+ Ka6 4.c4 Ka7 5.b5 Kb7
                               6.a6+ Kb6 7.c5+ Ka7 8.c6 Kb6 9.c7 Kxc7 10.a7
                               Kb7 11.Kf2 h2 12.b6 h1=Q 13.Ke3
  40851616  42.436  -7.71 24-- 1.a4 Kb7 2.b4 Kb6 3.a5+ Ka6 4.c4 Ka7 5.b5 Kb7
                               6.a6+ Kb6 7.c5+ Ka7 8.c6 Kb6 9.c7 Kxc7 10.a7
                               Kb7 11.Kf2 h2 12.Ke3 h1=Q 13.b6 f2 14.Ke2
  56485620  58.711  -8.04 24t  1.a4 Kb7 2.b4 Kb6 3.a5+ Ka6 4.c4 Ka7 5.b5 Kb7
                               6.a6+ Kb6 7.c5+ Ka7 8.c6 Kb6 9.c7 Kxc7 10.a7
                               Kb7 11.b6 Ka8 12.Kf2 h2 13.Kxf3 h1=Q+ 14.Kf4
                               Qb1 15.Ke5 Qxb6 {-921}
  79095810  1:22.2  -8.04 24.  1.a4 Kb7 2.b4 Kb6 3.a5+ Ka6 4.c4 Ka7 5.b5 Kb7
                               6.a6+ Kb6 7.c5+ Ka7 8.c6 Kb6 9.c7 Kxc7 10.a7
                               Kb7 11.b6 Ka8 12.Kf2 h2 13.Kxf3 h1=Q+ 14.Kf4
                               Qb1 15.Ke5 Qxb6 {-921}
  97036602  1:41.1  -8.40 25t  1.a4 Kb7 2.b4 Kb6 3.a5+ Ka6 4.c4 Ka7 5.b5 Kb7
                               6.a6+ Kb6 7.c5+ Ka7 8.c6 Kb6 9.a7 Kxa7 10.c7
                               Kb7 11.b6 Kc8 12.Kf2 h2H 13.Kxf3H h1=Q+H
                               14.Ke2H Qc6H 15.Kd2H Qd6+H 16.Ke1H {HT} {-841}
 121328233  2:07.4  -8.40 25.  1.a4 Kb7 2.b4 Kb6 3.a5+ Ka6 4.c4 Ka7 5.b5 Kb7
                               6.a6+ Kb6 7.c5+ Ka7 8.c6 Kb6 9.a7 Kxa7 10.c7
                               Kb7 11.b6 Kc8 12.Kf2 h2 13.Kxf3 h1=Q+ 14.Ke2
                               Qc6 15.Kd2 Qd6+ 16.Ke1 {HT} {-841}
 137454247  2:25.6  -8.80 26-- 1.a4 Kb7 2.b4 Kb6 3.a5+ Ka6 4.c4 Ka7 5.b5 Kb7
                               6.a6+ Kb6 7.c5+ Ka7 8.c6 Kb6 9.a7 Kxa7 10.Kf2
                               h2 11.Ke3 Kb6 12.Kd3 f2 13.c7 f1=Q+ 14.Kd4 h1=Q
                               15.c8=Q Qxb5 16.Kc3 {-1001}
 151571368  2:41.2  -9.80 26-- 1.a4 Kb7 2.b4 Kb6 3.a5+ Ka6 4.c4 Ka7 5.b5 Kb7
                               6.a6+ Kb6 7.c5+ Ka7 8.c6 Kb6 9.a7 Kxa7 10.Kf2
                               h2 11.Ke3 Kb6 12.Kd3 f2 13.c7 f1=Q+ 14.Kd2 h1=Q
                               15.c8=Q Qxb5 16.Qc3 Qe4 {-1001}
 165388828  2:57.5 -14.80 26-- 1.a4 Kb7 2.b4 Kb6 3.a5+ Ka6 4.c4 Ka7 5.b5 Kb7
                               6.a6+ Kb6 7.c5+ Ka7 8.c6 Kb6 9.a7 Kxa7 10.Kf2
                               h2 11.Ke3 Kb6 12.Kd3 f2 13.Kc2 h1=Q 14.c7 f1=Q
                               15.c8=R Kxb5 16.Kb2 Qff3 {-1502}
 228878161  4:08.5 -18.38 26t  1.a4 Kb7 2.b4 Kb6 3.a5+ Ka6 4.c4 Ka7 5.b5 Kb7
                               6.a6+ Kb6 7.c5+ Ka7 8.c6 Kb6 9.c7 Kxc7 10.a7
                               Kb7 11.b6 Ka8 12.Kf2 h2 13.Ke3 f2 14.Kd3 h1=Q
                               15.Kd4 f1=Q 16.Ke5 Qb5+ 17.Kd6 {-1842}
 388671873  7:04.7 -18.38 26.  1.a4 Kb7 2.b4 Kb6 3.a5+ Ka6 4.c4 Ka7 5.b5 Kb7
                               6.a6+ Kb6 7.c5+ Ka7 8.c6 Kb6 9.c7 Kxc7 10.a7
                               Kb7 11.b6 Ka8 12.Kf2 h2 13.Ke3 f2 14.Kd3 h1=Q
                               15.Kd4 f1=Q 16.Ke5 Qb5+ 17.Kd6 {-1842}

With some interactive analysis, I can prove, that white gets mated in 27 (or
probably earlier). Unfortunately, the PVs are hidden in the transposition
tables.

   6939210   7.998 -20.02 13.  1.Kf2 h2 2.c4 h1=Q 3.c5 Qh4+ 4.Ke3 f2 5.c6 f1=Q
                               6.c7+ Kxc7 7.Kd2 Qd4+ 8.Kc2 Qxb2+ 9.Kxb2 {-921}
   7798170   8.983 -20.42 14-- 1.Kf2 h2 2.c4 h1=Q 3.a4 Qh4+ 4.Ke3 f2 5.Kd2
                               f1=Q 6.Kc3 Qhxc4+ 7.Kd2
   7827717   9.015 -21.42 14-- 1.Kf2 h2 2.c4 h1=Q 3.a4 Qh4+ 4.Kg1
   8135133   9.384 -Mat33 14-- 1.Kf2 h2 2.Kg3 h1=Q 3.Kf2 {-841}
  23031154  26.347 -Mat18 14t  1.Kf2 h2 2.a4 h1=Q 3.b3 Qh4+H 4.Ke3H f2H 5.Ke2H
                               Qh3H 6.Kxf2H {-761}
  23031162  26.347 -Mat26 14t+ 1.a4 Ka7 2.c3 Ka6H 3.c4H Kb7H 4.a5H Ka6H {HT}
                               {80}
  23031170  26.347 -Mat26 14t  1.a4 Ka7 2.c3 Ka6H 3.c4H Kb7H 4.a5H Ka6H {HT}
                               {80}
  23031178  26.348 -Mat27 14t+ 1.a3 Kc7 2.a4 Kb6H 3.c3H Ka6H 4.c4H Kb7H 5.a5H
                               Ka6H {HT} {80}
  23031186  26.348 -Mat27 14t  1.a3 Kc7 2.a4 Kb6H 3.c3H Ka6H 4.c4H Kb7H 5.a5H
                               Ka6H {HT} {80}
  23369314  26.744 -Mat27 14.  1.a3 Kc7 2.a4 Kb6 3.c3 Ka6 4.c4 Kb7 5.a5 Ka6
                               {HT} {80}

And does not change anymore for some while. The transposition tables were
preoccupied by some useful values.

Regards,
Dieter




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