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Subject: Re: Can a Programming Language Cause Engines to be Slow?

Author: Bob Durrett

Date: 16:05:15 11/15/02

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On November 15, 2002 at 18:25:32, Allen Lake wrote:

>On November 15, 2002 at 17:00:49, Bob Durrett wrote:
>
>>On November 15, 2002 at 14:34:21, Allen Lake wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>>At the risk of opening another large can of worms, what I think you are asking
>>>this community to think about (in this post and others you've posted here
>>>recently) is whether the current state-of-the-art in engine programming is on an
>>>optimal track.  In short, are we beginning to reach the point of diminishing
>>>returns in trying to improve brute-force search techiques and should we lessen
>>>these improvement efforts in favor of a new programming paradigm for chess?
>>>
>><snip>
>>
>>Thanks, Allen, for the lengthy and very informative response.  I will try to
>>study it carefully later and give a better response, perhaps after others have
>>their say about it.
>>
>>For now, however, I just wish to say that I am not as smart as you think I am!!!
>>: )
>>
>>I would not presume to try to steer this bulletin board!  As I have said many
>>times, I am not a chess engine programmer/developer nor a professional
>>programmer, and I am simply just not that clever.  But I do find chess software
>>to be very interesting and that's why I'm here.
>
>I hope you don't think I was criticizing you in any way.  I find most of your
>posts to be quite thoughtful and thought-provoking.  Sometimes, questions from
>the perspective of an interested "outsider" is just what it takes to stir the
>conventional wisdom enough to encourage a daring person to think outside the
>box, and that thinking-outside-the-box is going to be the source of the next
>great innovation in intelligent game programming.
>
>Perhaps I read more into your recent posts than you intended, but I still think
>that a good many of the topics you've touched on could be easily categorized as
>"where do we go from here" and "are we on a dead-end street".  In a community as
>technically oriented as this one, those questions often don't get asked until
>it's too late, and I'm happy to see these types of questions come up from people
>like you, Rolf Tueschen, Marc van Hal, Thorsten Czub, and several others.  To
>torture a metaphor, sometimes we are so busy tending individual trees that we
>forget to observe the effect of our tending on the entire forest.
>
><snipped>
>
>>This really is a great bulletin board!
>
>I agree.  I wish I had more time to participate actively here.   I'm glad folks
>like you are here more often than I can be, since you ask a lot of the questions
>I'd ask if I had the time.
>
>>
>>Bob D.
>
>My best to you,
>
>Allen

: )  : )  : )  : )

Bob D.



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