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Subject: Re: Odd that Tiger and Rebel are not there....

Author: Lex Loep

Date: 12:05:27 11/16/02

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On November 16, 2002 at 14:33:21, Tony Werten wrote:

>On November 16, 2002 at 14:04:38, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On November 16, 2002 at 13:33:01, Tony Werten wrote:
>>
>>>On November 16, 2002 at 12:46:00, Lex Loep wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 16, 2002 at 05:58:07, Ulrich Tuerke wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On November 16, 2002 at 02:41:51, Lex Loep wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On November 16, 2002 at 00:13:10, Peter Skinner wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On November 15, 2002 at 19:13:51, Volker Richey wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>more informations at
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>http://www.vrichey.de/cct5
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Volker
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No authorized operator?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The interface kibitzes..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Looking at the list of participants I see there is no competition
>>>>>>for tiger. So what's the point in participating ?
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, have a look at Leiden 2002; ct had lost against points against the
>>>>>winboarders and had to rank below 2 of these.
>>>>
>>>>What do you mean ? This is what I remember
>>>>http://lokasoft.nl/uk/chess_tiger_15_in_dutch_open.htm
>>>>
>>>>Lex
>>>
>>>Maybe you can also remember the game you saw ? Tiger was very lucky against
>>>XiniX. It was at most a draw for Tiger, maybe not even that. Tiger was very
>>>lucky against Baron as well.
>>>
>>>Just looking at the endtable and saying "Tiger had no competition since it won"
>>>is not very realistic.
>>>
>>>Tony
>>
>>Can you define being lucky?
>
>XiniX had a much better position in the endgame but not much time left. It only
>took 6 seconds and produced the only move wich doesn't only give away the chance
>for a win but also gives away the draw.
>
>XiniX needs 8 seconds to come to the right move.
>

But then you may have lost the game on time.
Timecontrol is part of the game and is no argument
for being lucky.

Lex


>Tony
>
>>
>>For me being lucky in case of no bugs is not a case when the opponent missed a
>>win because knowing to win won games is part of chess.
>>
>>I think that you can say that a program is lucky if the  opponent outsearched it
>>when both sides do not understand the final position when later both programs
>>are surprised to find that the result is not what they evaluated.
>>
>>It happened to an old piece square table version of movei with no hash tables in
>>a game against Nejmet.
>>
>>Nejmet outsearched it and won a pawn only to find that the knight is trapped
>>so Nejmet lost the game.
>>
>>Uri



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