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Subject: Re: wKe6,wPe7,bKe8 (btm) suddenly a win...?!

Author: Mike S.

Date: 20:14:38 11/16/02

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On November 14, 2002 at 02:39:16, Louis Fagliano wrote:

>I've got an excellent idea to make chess more interesting.
>
>It doesn't involve enlarging the board and adding new pieces.
>
>It doesn't involve destroying opening theory as does Fischer Random Chess.
>
>It's simple.  Change the stalemate drawing rule.  A stalemate is a win; just as
>good as a checkmate.  After all, isn't zugzwang considered a particularly
>elegant way to force a win?  And shouldn't a stalemate be considered as an
>extreme form of zugzwang?

Being someone who is "into chess tradition" so to speak, I can only warn that
changing the stalemate rule would result in *another game*. The stalemate rule
is a basic one, part of the *definition of chess* (articles 1...5 of the FIDE
rules).

Btw. the changes which were done in the 50 moves rule were the maximum of what
was tolerable IMO, and I agree with the decision to return to the rule with no
exceptions. That is the chess definition as it were (reflecting the character of
chess being a *game* in that case, especially).

Note also that a lot of games of chess history would be affected by that (not
only those where a stalemate occured on the board, but of course the many where
it was part of the plans and threats, etc. too). You'd practically throw away
big parts of chess history.

Just think how even basic things, like King and Pawn versus Pawn would be
completely changed by that, when a - now - drawn position, resulting in i.e. a
stalemate like wKe6,wPe7,bKe8 (btm) in the end, suddenly would be a win! Just to
explain that it wouldn't be the chess we have now, anymore.

(Furthermore it was Russel's idea to do something about the effects of White's
advantage of the first move and of vast opening preparation.)

I think chess is more interesting *with* the stalemate rule, because it brings
additional motifs into the game when it's a draw, than when it's a win. You
probably have experienced that in blitz games, when one side has 2 or 3 queens
against nothing :o) The superior side is forced to apply at least a minimum of
precision still.

Regards,
M.Scheidl



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