Author: Uri Blass
Date: 21:33:07 11/17/02
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On November 17, 2002 at 22:55:45, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On November 17, 2002 at 11:59:22, Christophe Theron wrote: > >>On November 17, 2002 at 10:48:00, Mogens Larsen wrote: >> >>>On November 17, 2002 at 02:50:30, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: >>> >>>>I think the issue is if Chess Tiger wins, then it's no big deal because >>>>it's the expected result and the competition were 2nd rank engines >>>>anyway (see discussions after NK). If it doesn't win then we get the >>>>'OMG Chess Tiger didn't win! The amateurs are so strong! ChessTiger >>>>sucks/plays too passive/...' stuff. >>> >>>Now there's only "Chess Tiger is a chicken!" ;-). >> >> >> >>Everybody is free to buy it online and check what his homebrew chess engine can >>do against the... Chicken! ;-) >> >> >> >> Christophe > > >There is another angle. > >Cray Blitz won the WCCC in 1983 and 1986. By the time 1989 rolled around I >_knew_ who was going to win that event.... Deep Thought. I didn't have time >to go to that tournament. Cray couldn't give us machine time. Etc. > >But in thinking about it, I felt that Hsu needed his chance, and if Cray Blitz >didn't show up, it would always "taint" his win, because "Cray Blitz, the two- >time winner didn't play and it would not be clear which was better" would be >the expected topic for years. As a result, I took time off that I didn't have. >I found a company willing to do without a Cray for a few days so we could use >it to play chess (Cray payed for the time). And I went and "took my lumps" >along with everyone else. > >I personally think it disingenuous to use the "it takes too much time to >prepare" excuse more than once every couple of years. Some commercial >folks will participate in everything. Some hardly participate in anything. >If nothing else, that is one disservice the SSDF has dumped on us, because >if a program does well there, then that is enough to keep the program out of >tournaments. > >If you look at my history (Cray Blitz), I competed in every event I possibly >could, whether I thought I might win, or knew I would be playing for second >place (after deep thought came along). Cray blitz stopped to compete and did not play in the world championship of 1995 I also do not see how could you know the results before the events. Deep thought did not win in the championship of 1995 and there was no reason to be sure that deep thought is going to beat cray blitz in earlier years. I think that is the right way to handle >computer chess participation. I think that in that time there were less events. Today there is not a year that Tiger does not compete in a tournament. I think that it is wrong to criticize programmers for not participating in every event that they can participate. I am sure that part of the amateurs are not going to compete. Uri
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