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Subject: Re: Amir Ban will have his chance to prove that DB was NOT better

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 10:48:35 11/18/02

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On November 18, 2002 at 10:59:11, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On November 16, 2002 at 23:31:35, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>Not true, already years ago i posted DIEP's findings here.
>
>Nowadays the singular extensions and especially checks near the
>leafs are more limited, For Qe3 i get a near to draw score then.

Vincent, can you read?  I didn't say "show me a program with a 'near draw'
score."
I said "show me _any_ program that can see a forced draw.  Yours can't.  Mine
can't.
_nobody's_ can do that...

Stop changing the question and then answering that.

>
>But it wouldn't happen DIEP still will *not* play Kf1 there
>at tournament level of course.
>
>I posted that clearly. Did you forget?


I don't remember answers that are not "on topic".  Yours wasn't.  Kf1 is the
right move
unless it changes the draw to a loss.  Kh1 is the wrong move unless it preserves
a win
if the position is won prior to that move.  If a program plays one over the
other without
knowing _why_ then it is a coin-toss and it isn't impressive.  I don't buy into
the "right move
for the wrong reason" when the move is _tactical_ in the first place.  And we
are talking
tactics, not positional judgement, as one (kf1) _may_ allow a draw (Hsu says not
and he might
be right) while the other (kh1) does not allow the draw.  If your program can't
see a draw in
one, and not in the other, then it doesn't matter why it plays either move.   It
is playing it for
the _wrong_ reason.



>
>>On November 15, 2002 at 18:15:43, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I think that all the top programs of today can see Qe3 and can see Kh1 after
>>>enough time and it was not the case in the time of deeper blue.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>
>>Show me _any_ program that shows that Kf1 is a draw and Kf1 is not.
>>
>>Or show me any program that shows that Qe3 is a draw while any other move
>>is not.
>>
>>There are none, so a program liking one or the other is simply lucky.  This
>>is an example of tactics, not strategy...



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