Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 10:48:35 11/18/02
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On November 18, 2002 at 10:59:11, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On November 16, 2002 at 23:31:35, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >Not true, already years ago i posted DIEP's findings here. > >Nowadays the singular extensions and especially checks near the >leafs are more limited, For Qe3 i get a near to draw score then. Vincent, can you read? I didn't say "show me a program with a 'near draw' score." I said "show me _any_ program that can see a forced draw. Yours can't. Mine can't. _nobody's_ can do that... Stop changing the question and then answering that. > >But it wouldn't happen DIEP still will *not* play Kf1 there >at tournament level of course. > >I posted that clearly. Did you forget? I don't remember answers that are not "on topic". Yours wasn't. Kf1 is the right move unless it changes the draw to a loss. Kh1 is the wrong move unless it preserves a win if the position is won prior to that move. If a program plays one over the other without knowing _why_ then it is a coin-toss and it isn't impressive. I don't buy into the "right move for the wrong reason" when the move is _tactical_ in the first place. And we are talking tactics, not positional judgement, as one (kf1) _may_ allow a draw (Hsu says not and he might be right) while the other (kh1) does not allow the draw. If your program can't see a draw in one, and not in the other, then it doesn't matter why it plays either move. It is playing it for the _wrong_ reason. > >>On November 15, 2002 at 18:15:43, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>> >>>I think that all the top programs of today can see Qe3 and can see Kh1 after >>>enough time and it was not the case in the time of deeper blue. >>> >>>Uri >> >> >>Show me _any_ program that shows that Kf1 is a draw and Kf1 is not. >> >>Or show me any program that shows that Qe3 is a draw while any other move >>is not. >> >>There are none, so a program liking one or the other is simply lucky. This >>is an example of tactics, not strategy...
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