Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 19:56:30 11/18/02
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On November 17, 2002 at 22:55:45, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>On November 17, 2002 at 11:59:22, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On November 17, 2002 at 10:48:00, Mogens Larsen wrote:
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>>>On November 17, 2002 at 02:50:30, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>>>
>>>>I think the issue is if Chess Tiger wins, then it's no big deal because
>>>>it's the expected result and the competition were 2nd rank engines
>>>>anyway (see discussions after NK). If it doesn't win then we get the
>>>>'OMG Chess Tiger didn't win! The amateurs are so strong! ChessTiger
>>>>sucks/plays too passive/...' stuff.
>>>
>>>Now there's only "Chess Tiger is a chicken!" ;-).
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>>Everybody is free to buy it online and check what his homebrew chess engine can
>>do against the... Chicken! ;-)
>>
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>> Christophe
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>
>There is another angle.
>
>Cray Blitz won the WCCC in 1983 and 1986. By the time 1989 rolled around I
>_knew_ who was going to win that event.... Deep Thought. I didn't have time
>to go to that tournament. Cray couldn't give us machine time. Etc.
>
>But in thinking about it, I felt that Hsu needed his chance, and if Cray Blitz
>didn't show up, it would always "taint" his win, because "Cray Blitz, the two-
>time winner didn't play and it would not be clear which was better" would be
>the expected topic for years. As a result, I took time off that I didn't have.
>I found a company willing to do without a Cray for a few days so we could use
>it to play chess (Cray payed for the time). And I went and "took my lumps"
>along with everyone else.
>
>I personally think it disingenuous to use the "it takes too much time to
>prepare" excuse more than once every couple of years. Some commercial
>folks will participate in everything. Some hardly participate in anything.
>If nothing else, that is one disservice the SSDF has dumped on us, because
>if a program does well there, then that is enough to keep the program out of
>tournaments.
>
>If you look at my history (Cray Blitz), I competed in every event I possibly
>could, whether I thought I might win, or knew I would be playing for second
>place (after deep thought came along). I think that is the right way to handle
>computer chess participation.
>
>Of course, commercial interests are "different" in general...
I understand your point of view, but Tiger has participated to almost all the
events reported in CCC since 1998.
So one cannot say that I have not spent time and energy in participating in
tournaments.
Also, Cray Blitz was not available to the public. Chess Tiger is.
Christophe
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