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Subject: Re: Test position for PDA or slower/weaker PC (and for human!)

Author: Jorge Pichard

Date: 21:54:54 11/18/02

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On November 19, 2002 at 00:26:11, John Merlino wrote:

>On November 18, 2002 at 18:40:58, Roy Eassa wrote:
>
>>On November 18, 2002 at 17:46:35, Roy Eassa wrote:
>>
>>>White to move and win:
>>>
>>>[d] 8/6N1/K2k3B/4p3/8/p7/2PP4/8 w - - 0 1
>>>
>>>This is from Pal Benko, an improvement on a study by L. Kubbel.  It was in the
>>>current issue of Chess Life magazine.
>>>
>>
>>
>>Here is a more difficult variation on the theme, also from Benko.  This one is
>>suitable for modern PCs/programs.
>>
>>Black to move but White to win:
>>
>>[d] K7/8/p7/3k4/3p4/8/2PP1B2/8 b - - 0 4
>>
>>(Sorry about the move numbers starting at 4 instead of 1; I don't know how to
>>reset that value without wiping out all the analysis.)
>>
>>4...d3
>>
>>   [or 4...a5 5.d3!
>>      (5.Bh4? d3! 6.c3 a4 7.Be7 Kc4 8.Kb7 Kb3 9.Kb6 Kc2 10.c4 Kxd2 11.c5 Ke2 =)
>>    5...a4 6.Bh4 a3 7.Bf6 a2 8.c4+ Kc5 9.Kb7 a1Q 10.Be7#]
>>
>>   [or 4...Kc4 5.Kb7 a5
>>      (5...d3 6.c3 a5 7.Kc6 a4 8.Bc5 Kb3 9.Kb5 +-)
>>    6.Kc6 d3
>>       (6...a4 7.d3+ Kc3 8.Kc5 +-)
>>    7.c3 a4 8.Bc5 Kb3 9.Kb5 +-]
>>
>>5.c4+!
>>
>>   [5.c3? a5 6.Bh4 a4 7.Be7 Kc4 8.Kb7 Kb3 9.Kb6 Kc2 10.c4 Kxd2 11.c5 Ke2 =]
>>
>>   [5.cxd3? a5 =]
>>
>>5...Kxc4 6.Bb6 Kb5 7.Bd4
>>
>>   [or 7.Kb7 a5 8.Bd4, which transposes]
>>
>>7...a5 8.Kb7 a4 9.Kc7
>>
>>   [or 9.Bb2 Kb4 10.Kc6 Kb3 11.Bc3 Kc4 12.Kd6 +- as in other lines]
>>
>>9...Kc4 10.Bc3 Kc5
>>
>>   [10...a3 11.Kd6 a2 12.Ke5 Kb3 13.Kd4 Kc2 14.Ke3 +-]
>>
>>11.Bb2 Kd5 12.Kb6 Kc4 13.Kc6 Kb3 14.Bc3 Kc4 15.Kd6 a3 16.Ke5 Kb3
>>17.Kd4 Kc2 18.Ke4 a2 19.Ke3 +-
>>
>>
>>After Black's clever first move of ...d3, how long does it take for your program
>>to realize that White's only win is with c4+ ?
>
>In the first position, it takes Chessmaster 9000, on a P3-733, 22 seconds to
>find 1...d3:
>
>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>0:00	3/7	2.20	10517		4...a5 5.Bh4 Ke6 6.Kb7 a4 7.c4
>					dxc3ep 8.dxc3
>0:00	4/8	2.01	21957		4...a5 5.Bh4 Ke6 6.c3 dxc3 7.dxc3
>					a4 8.Kb7 a3 9.c4
>0:00	5/9	2.00	43358		4...a5 5.Bh4 Ke6 6.Kb7 a4 7.Bf2
>					Kd5 8.c3 dxc3 9.dxc3
>0:00	6/10	1.92	69208		4...a5 5.Bh4 Ke6 6.Kb7 a4 7.Kc6
>					a3 8.Bf2 Ke5 9.Kc5
>0:01	7/11	2.15	138868		4...a5 5.Bh4 d3 6.c3 Kd6 7.Kb7
>					a4 8.Bf2 a3 9.c4 a2 10.c5+ Kd5
>0:02	8/12	2.15	285982		4...a5 5.Bh4 d3 6.c3 Kd6 7.Kb7
>					a4 8.Bf6 a3 9.c4 a2 10.Bd4 Kd7
>					11.c5
>0:03	9/13	2.15	438398		4...a5 5.Bh4 d3 6.c3 Ke6 7.Kb7
>					a4 8.c4 a3 9.Bf2 a2 10.Bd4 Kd7
>					11.c5
>0:05	10/14	1.80	728327		4...a5 5.Bh4 d3 6.c3 Kc4 7.Be7
>					a4 8.Kb7 Kb3 9.Kc6 Kc2 10.Bg5 Kb2
>					11.Kd5 a3
>0:08	11/15	2.04	1205329		4...a5 5.Bh4 d3 6.c3 Kc4 7.Be7
>					a4 8.Kb7 Kb3 9.Kb6 Kc2 10.Bg5 Kb3
>					11.Kc5 a3 12.Kd4
>0:16	12/16	1.82	2309063		4...a5 5.d3 a4 6.Bh4 Ke6 7.Bg5
>					a3 8.Bc1 a2 9.Bb2 Ke5 10.Kb8 Kd5
>					11.Ba1 Ke5 12.Kc7 Kd5
>0:22	12/16	1.09	3299410		4...d3 5.c3 a5 6.Bh4 Kc4 7.Kb7
>					a4 8.Be7 Kb3 9.Kb6 Kc2 10.Kb5 Kxd2
>					11.Bb4 Ke2 12.Kxa4 d2
>0:26	13/17	0.95	3840207		4...d3 5.c3 a5 6.Bh4 Kc4 7.Kb7
>					a4 8.Be7 Kb3 9.Kb6 Kc2 10.Kb5 Kxd2
>					11.Bb4 Kc2 12.c4 Kb3
>0:33	14/18	0.49	4907481		4...d3 5.c3 a5 6.Bh4 Kc4 7.Kb7
>					a4 8.Be7 Kb3 9.c4 Kxc4 10.Kc6 Kb3
>					11.Kd5 Kc2 12.Bb4 a3 13.Kd4 a2
>
>After forcing 4...d3, it takes 31 seconds to find 5.c4+:
>
>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>0:00	5/9	1.92	27226		5.cxd3 a5 6.Kb7 a4 7.Kc7 a3 8.Bh4
>					Kd4 9.Bf6+ Kxd3
>0:00	5/9	2.04	31287		5.c3 a5 6.Bh4 Kd6 7.Bf6 a4 8.Bg7
>					Kd5 9.Bf8
>0:00	6/10	2.12	53814		5.c3 a5 6.Bh4 Ke6 7.Kb7 a4 8.c4
>					a3 9.Bf2 a2 10.Bd4 Kd7
>0:00	7/11	2.12	84193		5.c3 a5 6.Bh4 Ke6 7.Kb7 a4 8.c4
>					a3 9.Bf2 Kd7 10.Bd4 a2
>0:01	8/12	2.15	150565		5.c3 a5 6.Bh4 Ke6 7.Kb7 a4 8.c4
>					a3 9.Bf2 a2 10.Bd4 Kd7 11.c5
>0:01	9/13	1.80	259903		5.c3 a5 6.Bh4 a4 7.Be7 Kc4 8.Kb7
>					Kb3 9.Kc6 Kc2 10.Bg5 Kb2 11.Kd5 a3
>0:03	10/14	1.67	422942		5.c3 a5 6.Bh4 a4 7.Be7 Kc4 8.Kb7
>					Kb3 9.Bd6 Kc2 10.Bf4 Kb3 11.Kc6
>					a3 12.Kd5
>0:04	11/15	1.09	691013		5.c3 a5 6.Bh4 a4 7.Be7 Kc4 8.Kb7
>					Kb3 9.Bb4 Kc2 10.Kc6 Kxd2 11.Kb5
>					Ke2 12.Kxa4 d2
>0:08	12/16	0.95	1236503		5.c3 a5 6.Bh4 Kc4 7.Kb7 Kb3 8.Kb6
>					a4 9.Be7 Kc2 10.Kb5 Kxd2 11.Bb4
>					Kc2 12.c4 Kb3
>0:14	13/17	0.49	2146136		5.c3 a5 6.Bh4 Kc4 7.Kb7 a4 8.Be7
>					Kb3 9.c4 Kxc4 10.Kc6 Kb3 11.Kd5
>					Kc2 12.Bb4 a3 13.Kd4 a2
>0:25	14/18	0.14	3599584		5.c3 a5 6.Bh4 Kc4 7.Kb7 a4 8.Be7
>					Kb3 9.c4 Kxc4 10.Kc6 Kb3 11.Kd7
>					a3 12.Bxa3 Kxa3 13.Kc6 Kb3 14.Kd5
>					Kc2
>0:31	14/18	0.95	4596705		5.c4+ Kxc4 6.Bb6 Kb5 7.Bd4 a5 8.Bb2
>					a4 9.Kb7 Kc4 10.Kc6 Kb3 11.Bc3
>					Kc4 12.Kd6 a3 13.Ke5 Kc5 14.Ba1 a2
>0:36	15/19	0.96	5398165		5.c4+ Kxc4 6.Bb6 Kb5 7.Bd4 a5 8.Bb2
>					a4 9.Kb7 Kc4 10.Kc6 Kb3 11.Bc3
>					Kc4 12.Kd6 a3 13.Ke5 Kc5 14.Ke4
>					Kc4 15.Ba1
>
>jm

You should try Chessmaster 9000 on a Pentium 200 Mhz to equal the strength of a
PDA or Pocket PC.

Pichard.



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