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Subject: Re: Test position for PDA or slower/weaker PC (and for human!)

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 23:25:41 11/18/02

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On November 19, 2002 at 02:24:01, Uri Blass wrote:

>On November 19, 2002 at 00:54:54, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>
>>On November 19, 2002 at 00:26:11, John Merlino wrote:
>>
>>>On November 18, 2002 at 18:40:58, Roy Eassa wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 18, 2002 at 17:46:35, Roy Eassa wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>White to move and win:
>>>>>
>>>>>[d] 8/6N1/K2k3B/4p3/8/p7/2PP4/8 w - - 0 1
>>>>>
>>>>>This is from Pal Benko, an improvement on a study by L. Kubbel.  It was in the
>>>>>current issue of Chess Life magazine.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Here is a more difficult variation on the theme, also from Benko.  This one is
>>>>suitable for modern PCs/programs.
>>>>
>>>>Black to move but White to win:
>>>>
>>>>[d] K7/8/p7/3k4/3p4/8/2PP1B2/8 b - - 0 4
>>>>
>>>>(Sorry about the move numbers starting at 4 instead of 1; I don't know how to
>>>>reset that value without wiping out all the analysis.)
>>>>
>>>>4...d3
>>>>
>>>>   [or 4...a5 5.d3!
>>>>      (5.Bh4? d3! 6.c3 a4 7.Be7 Kc4 8.Kb7 Kb3 9.Kb6 Kc2 10.c4 Kxd2 11.c5 Ke2 =)
>>>>    5...a4 6.Bh4 a3 7.Bf6 a2 8.c4+ Kc5 9.Kb7 a1Q 10.Be7#]
>>>>
>>>>   [or 4...Kc4 5.Kb7 a5
>>>>      (5...d3 6.c3 a5 7.Kc6 a4 8.Bc5 Kb3 9.Kb5 +-)
>>>>    6.Kc6 d3
>>>>       (6...a4 7.d3+ Kc3 8.Kc5 +-)
>>>>    7.c3 a4 8.Bc5 Kb3 9.Kb5 +-]
>>>>
>>>>5.c4+!
>>>>
>>>>   [5.c3? a5 6.Bh4 a4 7.Be7 Kc4 8.Kb7 Kb3 9.Kb6 Kc2 10.c4 Kxd2 11.c5 Ke2 =]
>>>>
>>>>   [5.cxd3? a5 =]
>>>>
>>>>5...Kxc4 6.Bb6 Kb5 7.Bd4
>>>>
>>>>   [or 7.Kb7 a5 8.Bd4, which transposes]
>>>>
>>>>7...a5 8.Kb7 a4 9.Kc7
>>>>
>>>>   [or 9.Bb2 Kb4 10.Kc6 Kb3 11.Bc3 Kc4 12.Kd6 +- as in other lines]
>>>>
>>>>9...Kc4 10.Bc3 Kc5
>>>>
>>>>   [10...a3 11.Kd6 a2 12.Ke5 Kb3 13.Kd4 Kc2 14.Ke3 +-]
>>>>
>>>>11.Bb2 Kd5 12.Kb6 Kc4 13.Kc6 Kb3 14.Bc3 Kc4 15.Kd6 a3 16.Ke5 Kb3
>>>>17.Kd4 Kc2 18.Ke4 a2 19.Ke3 +-
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>After Black's clever first move of ...d3, how long does it take for your program
>>>>to realize that White's only win is with c4+ ?
>>>
>>>In the first position, it takes Chessmaster 9000, on a P3-733, 22 seconds to
>>>find 1...d3:
>>>
>>>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>>>0:00	3/7	2.20	10517		4...a5 5.Bh4 Ke6 6.Kb7 a4 7.c4
>>>					dxc3ep 8.dxc3
>>>0:00	4/8	2.01	21957		4...a5 5.Bh4 Ke6 6.c3 dxc3 7.dxc3
>>>					a4 8.Kb7 a3 9.c4
>>>0:00	5/9	2.00	43358		4...a5 5.Bh4 Ke6 6.Kb7 a4 7.Bf2
>>>					Kd5 8.c3 dxc3 9.dxc3
>>>0:00	6/10	1.92	69208		4...a5 5.Bh4 Ke6 6.Kb7 a4 7.Kc6
>>>					a3 8.Bf2 Ke5 9.Kc5
>>>0:01	7/11	2.15	138868		4...a5 5.Bh4 d3 6.c3 Kd6 7.Kb7
>>>					a4 8.Bf2 a3 9.c4 a2 10.c5+ Kd5
>>>0:02	8/12	2.15	285982		4...a5 5.Bh4 d3 6.c3 Kd6 7.Kb7
>>>					a4 8.Bf6 a3 9.c4 a2 10.Bd4 Kd7
>>>					11.c5
>>>0:03	9/13	2.15	438398		4...a5 5.Bh4 d3 6.c3 Ke6 7.Kb7
>>>					a4 8.c4 a3 9.Bf2 a2 10.Bd4 Kd7
>>>					11.c5
>>>0:05	10/14	1.80	728327		4...a5 5.Bh4 d3 6.c3 Kc4 7.Be7
>>>					a4 8.Kb7 Kb3 9.Kc6 Kc2 10.Bg5 Kb2
>>>					11.Kd5 a3
>>>0:08	11/15	2.04	1205329		4...a5 5.Bh4 d3 6.c3 Kc4 7.Be7
>>>					a4 8.Kb7 Kb3 9.Kb6 Kc2 10.Bg5 Kb3
>>>					11.Kc5 a3 12.Kd4
>>>0:16	12/16	1.82	2309063		4...a5 5.d3 a4 6.Bh4 Ke6 7.Bg5
>>>					a3 8.Bc1 a2 9.Bb2 Ke5 10.Kb8 Kd5
>>>					11.Ba1 Ke5 12.Kc7 Kd5
>>>0:22	12/16	1.09	3299410		4...d3 5.c3 a5 6.Bh4 Kc4 7.Kb7
>>>					a4 8.Be7 Kb3 9.Kb6 Kc2 10.Kb5 Kxd2
>>>					11.Bb4 Ke2 12.Kxa4 d2
>>>0:26	13/17	0.95	3840207		4...d3 5.c3 a5 6.Bh4 Kc4 7.Kb7
>>>					a4 8.Be7 Kb3 9.Kb6 Kc2 10.Kb5 Kxd2
>>>					11.Bb4 Kc2 12.c4 Kb3
>>>0:33	14/18	0.49	4907481		4...d3 5.c3 a5 6.Bh4 Kc4 7.Kb7
>>>					a4 8.Be7 Kb3 9.c4 Kxc4 10.Kc6 Kb3
>>>					11.Kd5 Kc2 12.Bb4 a3 13.Kd4 a2
>>>
>>>After forcing 4...d3, it takes 31 seconds to find 5.c4+:
>>>
>>>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>>>0:00	5/9	1.92	27226		5.cxd3 a5 6.Kb7 a4 7.Kc7 a3 8.Bh4
>>>					Kd4 9.Bf6+ Kxd3
>>>0:00	5/9	2.04	31287		5.c3 a5 6.Bh4 Kd6 7.Bf6 a4 8.Bg7
>>>					Kd5 9.Bf8
>>>0:00	6/10	2.12	53814		5.c3 a5 6.Bh4 Ke6 7.Kb7 a4 8.c4
>>>					a3 9.Bf2 a2 10.Bd4 Kd7
>>>0:00	7/11	2.12	84193		5.c3 a5 6.Bh4 Ke6 7.Kb7 a4 8.c4
>>>					a3 9.Bf2 Kd7 10.Bd4 a2
>>>0:01	8/12	2.15	150565		5.c3 a5 6.Bh4 Ke6 7.Kb7 a4 8.c4
>>>					a3 9.Bf2 a2 10.Bd4 Kd7 11.c5
>>>0:01	9/13	1.80	259903		5.c3 a5 6.Bh4 a4 7.Be7 Kc4 8.Kb7
>>>					Kb3 9.Kc6 Kc2 10.Bg5 Kb2 11.Kd5 a3
>>>0:03	10/14	1.67	422942		5.c3 a5 6.Bh4 a4 7.Be7 Kc4 8.Kb7
>>>					Kb3 9.Bd6 Kc2 10.Bf4 Kb3 11.Kc6
>>>					a3 12.Kd5
>>>0:04	11/15	1.09	691013		5.c3 a5 6.Bh4 a4 7.Be7 Kc4 8.Kb7
>>>					Kb3 9.Bb4 Kc2 10.Kc6 Kxd2 11.Kb5
>>>					Ke2 12.Kxa4 d2
>>>0:08	12/16	0.95	1236503		5.c3 a5 6.Bh4 Kc4 7.Kb7 Kb3 8.Kb6
>>>					a4 9.Be7 Kc2 10.Kb5 Kxd2 11.Bb4
>>>					Kc2 12.c4 Kb3
>>>0:14	13/17	0.49	2146136		5.c3 a5 6.Bh4 Kc4 7.Kb7 a4 8.Be7
>>>					Kb3 9.c4 Kxc4 10.Kc6 Kb3 11.Kd5
>>>					Kc2 12.Bb4 a3 13.Kd4 a2
>>>0:25	14/18	0.14	3599584		5.c3 a5 6.Bh4 Kc4 7.Kb7 a4 8.Be7
>>>					Kb3 9.c4 Kxc4 10.Kc6 Kb3 11.Kd7
>>>					a3 12.Bxa3 Kxa3 13.Kc6 Kb3 14.Kd5
>>>					Kc2
>>>0:31	14/18	0.95	4596705		5.c4+ Kxc4 6.Bb6 Kb5 7.Bd4 a5 8.Bb2
>>>					a4 9.Kb7 Kc4 10.Kc6 Kb3 11.Bc3
>>>					Kc4 12.Kd6 a3 13.Ke5 Kc5 14.Ba1 a2
>>>0:36	15/19	0.96	5398165		5.c4+ Kxc4 6.Bb6 Kb5 7.Bd4 a5 8.Bb2
>>>					a4 9.Kb7 Kc4 10.Kc6 Kb3 11.Bc3
>>>					Kc4 12.Kd6 a3 13.Ke5 Kc5 14.Ke4
>>>					Kc4 15.Ba1
>>>
>>>jm
>>
>>You should try Chessmaster 9000 on a Pentium 200 Mhz to equal the strength of a
>>PDA or Pocket PC.
>>
>>Pichard.
>
>Based on my knowledge p200 is clearly faster than Pocket PC.
>
>I remember that I compared speed of pocket shredder with the commercial shredder
>on p200 and the commercial was clearly faster.
>
>Uri

Should be pocket Fritz but I call it pocket shredder because the programmer is
stefan.

Uri



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